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GoT season 8 final episode 6 tonight. (spoiler discussion) Fin. The end... for ever.

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Does anyone know why they are rushing so hard to finish the series? When I first saw the episode 3 of season 8 I didn't mind it much because of the epic mormonth girl death but after thinking about it man winter wasn't so bad after all, didn't kids used to die at the breast of their moms? The night king wasn't so bad it only took one night to kill him? Where does all those soliders respawn from?



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Shaunodon said:
Marth said:
Apperantly spoilers are already out for the finale.

The creator of this thread supposedly blurted out a major one, without even a spoiler tag. Guess that's the level of pettiness this thread has stooped to.

Forgive me if I just want to watch the series normally and try to have fun predicting things while I can. Seeing as people already want to discuss events of the series based on their knowledge of supposed leaks, there's no real point checking this thread anymore.

What are you talking about? I have a spoiler tag in the title and have stated in the OP that this is spoiler territory and I do not know anything past episode 4 which has aired, I blurrted no such thing and as far I have seen so far everyone talking about leaks has used spoiler tags.

Don't put your shade on me for something I did not do, it's great you are enjoying the show and that is your right, I wish I was in your position but it is also mine and everyone elses right here to warm our hands on this dumpster fire and get whatever little enjoyment we still can get by shitting on it. I loved it, read all the books 3 times and never once jusged it until season 8 began and I even forgave all the little nagging things of the last season because I thought they were on the right track but they derailed put of the gate here, destroyed the series core concepts, wrote the characters into ridiculous situations and moods and generally put little effort into it. I can forgive the battle tactics and most else because they aren't George RR Martins brain but I can't forgive what little effort they have put into this conclusion with near carte blanche with the budget, limitless human resource and in the information age too with two years for just six episodes. They fucked us and you know it. 



 

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John2290 said:
Shaunodon said:

The creator of this thread supposedly blurted out a major one, without even a spoiler tag. Guess that's the level of pettiness this thread has stooped to.

Forgive me if I just want to watch the series normally and try to have fun predicting things while I can. Seeing as people already want to discuss events of the series based on their knowledge of supposed leaks, there's no real point checking this thread anymore.

What are you talking about? I have a spoiler tag in the title and have stated in the OP that this is spoiler territory and I do not know anything past episode 4 which has aired, I blurrted no such thing and as far I have seen so far everyone talking about leaks has used spoiler tags.

John2290 said:
Spoiler!
Bran is faking his emo ravenness so he can manipulate everyone into killing each other so he can sit on the throne. I hate saying this but there is still hope that it all won't be fan service. 

Forgive me if I haven't 'fact-checked' it, seeing as I don't plan to intentionally seek out leaks myself. But I didn't think too much of it until I saw the updated betting odds (Odds Shark) on Twitter and saw people correlating it to reddit leaks, and I found it hard to believe you just blurted this out coincidentally.



Shaunodon said:
John2290 said:

What are you talking about? I have a spoiler tag in the title and have stated in the OP that this is spoiler territory and I do not know anything past episode 4 which has aired, I blurrted no such thing and as far I have seen so far everyone talking about leaks has used spoiler tags.

John2290 said:
Spoiler!
Bran is faking his emo ravenness so he can manipulate everyone into killing each other so he can sit on the throne. I hate saying this but there is still hope that it all won't be fan service. 

Forgive me if I haven't 'fact-checked' it, seeing as I don't plan to intentionally seek out leaks myself. But I didn't think too much of it until I saw the updated betting odds (Odds Shark) on Twitter and saw people correlating it to reddit leaks, and I found it hard to believe you just blurted this out coincidentally.

That was a joke, I wasn't being serious, Like I said I have not looked at spoilers. If the writers have persued this then they have litterally made the show into an off hand joke.

I don't believe it at any rate and also why are you looking up leaks and then compalining when you see something resembling one. Check yourself, this is how you become the one who spoils the show.  



 

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chapset said:
Does anyone know why they are rushing so hard to finish the series? When I first saw the episode 3 of season 8 I didn't mind it much because of the epic mormonth girl death but after thinking about it man winter wasn't so bad after all, didn't kids used to die at the breast of their moms? The night king wasn't so bad it only took one night to kill him? Where does all those soliders respawn from?

My guess is the fear of losing part of the core cast.



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John2290 said:
Shaunodon said:

Forgive me if I haven't 'fact-checked' it, seeing as I don't plan to intentionally seek out leaks myself. But I didn't think too much of it until I saw the updated betting odds (Odds Shark) on Twitter and saw people correlating it to reddit leaks, and I found it hard to believe you just blurted this out coincidentally.

That was a joke, I wasn't being serious, Like I said I have not looked at spoilers. If the writers have persued this then they have litterally made the show into an off hand joke.

I don't believe it at any rate and also why are you looking up leaks and then compalining when you see something resembling one. Check yourself, this is how you become the one who spoils the show.  

I literally just explained how I simply came across it while scrolling through twitter, where I go to see reactions and memes about the latest episodes. I haven't seen anyone there spreading leaks, just the betting odds I mentioned, and then a couple people on that post mentioning "reddit leaks", and I recalled seeing your post before and being confused if you were just dicking around with a dumb theory or if you were actually leaking a spoiler based on your sulky mood.

I've been pretty careful with my language to not conclusively accuse you of anything, so if I'm wrong, sorry, but I found it hard to believe it was a simple coincidence. Especially when people were already discussing leaks in here by that point.



Shaunodon said:
John2290 said:

That was a joke, I wasn't being serious, Like I said I have not looked at spoilers. If the writers have persued this then they have litterally made the show into an off hand joke.

I don't believe it at any rate and also why are you looking up leaks and then compalining when you see something resembling one. Check yourself, this is how you become the one who spoils the show.  

I literally just explained how I simply came across it while scrolling through twitter, where I go to see reactions and memes about the latest episodes. I haven't seen anyone there spreading leaks, just the betting odds I mentioned, and then a couple people on that post mentioning "reddit leaks", and I recalled seeing your post before and being confused if you were just dicking around with a dumb theory or if you were actually leaking a spoiler based on your sulky mood.

I've been pretty careful with my language to not conclusively accuse you of anything, so if I'm wrong, sorry, but I found it hard to believe it was a simple coincidence. Especially when people were already discussing leaks in here by that point.

No problem and I missed that, my bad. Yes it is a coincidence. I thought of the most ridiculous way they could end the show to make a quick joke as I have in previous posts and I posted that. The legitimacy of it as an actual leak I have to question, so I don't think i have been spoiled here but I do not want to look into any further, I am doubtful as it is so ridiculous but if it is true then God help us all and they better have some good reasoning behind that because he is basically Jon 2.0 in the books but with a bit of a drug addiction thrown on top, it would be completely out of character and also against the core of his arc. Fake spoiler I'm positive.



 

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sundin13 said:

You seem to be ignoring how eager Dany was to just kill all of the innocents in King's Landing again. If we aren't supposed to believe that she is slipping, the writers should have at least written it as a difficult moral choice. They didn't. They did not depict Dany struggling to make these difficult decisions, they depicted those around her temporarily reigning her in from doing the things that she wants to do (ie Kill the Innocents).

The way she is behaving has demonstrated that she no longer cares about her moral high ground. Luckily she has people around her who are able to reign her in so she has yet to act on these impulses, but someone else's moral platform is not a substitute for your own.

And you're overstating her eagerness.  She followed Tyrion's disastrous plans last season to try and spare King's Landing.  The people of Highgarden paid the price and Cercei is now stronger than she was back then.  She followed Tyrion's bafflingly stupid advise to try and convince Cercei to follow them up north.  She lost a dragon in that folly and provided the Night King with his means for breaching the Wall.  She followed Tyrion's advise about the blockade/siege that is not feasible.  And she gave Tyrion one more chance to try and reason with Cercei even though she knew in advance that it was a waste of her time.

Like I said, I'm sure another way will present itself.  But from where they're standing now, her options are basically to attack or lose and allow the tyrant to continue spreading pain and misery.  Hoping for a bloodless war free of moral considerations is kind of fruitless.

Anyway, we're really talking about a modern construct of war morality.  It's kind of out of place in this story.  But that's another problem for the writers.  But to put it in perspective, I personally think General Grant was one of the greatest men the United States has ever produced.  I have deep respect for him.  He and his top lieutenants burned parts of the South so deeply that it's still in their culture today.  His reputation as an ogre that just threw armies at his enemies is unfounded as he was a very able tactician, but there's also no doubt that he attacked where his predecessors would have retreated.  But he didn't lose his humanity in employing these tactics.

Basically, Grant decided that the best method for saving lives was ending the damn war.

Letting Cercei live and scheme and hurt people for the sake of hurting people does nothing to help anyone, including the hostages she has within the walls.  If Daenerys had simply marched to King's Landing at the beginning of the 7th season when she was at the height of her power, many lives would have been spared, they would have had more support for the Battle of Winterfell, and the realm would be in a much better place.





(Anyone not bothered/perplexed by Daenerys's sudden character direction, feel free to ignore all this please. Sorry it's so long)

So while watching a GoT video completely unrelated to Daenerys, this scene decided to pop up in the compilation. As I'm pretty sure I mentioned before, there's several examples all throughout the series of Dany showing slips in her mental stability, but this scene (from season 2) felt like a very powerful one.

Her themes are very consistent with what's been shown lately:

  • Obssession with regaining her 'birthright' of the Iron Throne, being the 'rightful' queen, her "take what's mine" attitude
  • Her general sense of entitlement
  • Fascination and total belief in her own destiny and it's story, as quoted by Varys and further talked about between him and Tyrion in the last episode
  • Impatient and demanding attitude, thinking everyone should be serving her when she deems necessary as their Queen. Just like not allowing the Northern troops any time to rest, and the impatience that she can't wait any longer to reclaim her 'birthright' (even knowing by this point that it's not hers), even mentioning how Cersei can "still call herself Queen" (enraged by someone else having "what's mine")
  • The (not so) subtle threat at the end of this scene, that she'll do whatever, and spill however much blood necessary to get "what's mine"

Let's not try and pretend they haven't thought this out from the very beginning. Those points don't even mention:

  • Character acting --erratic changes in facial expression
  • Camera shots --her speaking from a lower position both metaphorically and literally, then later trying to rise up the steps to intimidate and speak down to him, even though she's still in a lower position (metaphorically and physically)
  • Soundtrack --once her demeanor changes and she walks up to The Spice King, a heavy tune suddnely starts filling the background, giving an uneasy feeling that something dark is starting to rise beneath the surface

What's great about this, is that it's easy to believe when you're first watching that she's just a young girl who we sympathise with, and after what she's been through still trying to learn the ways of the world and mature into a good leader. People innevitably get behind her as she manages to keep creating miracles, meanwhile also freeing a lot of people along the way and being seen as their saviour, vindicating her self-righteous personality and making us see her as a force for good.
Yet when you actually go back knowing all that we do now and having seen her character evolve, her true nature comes into stark contrast. Even though she may genuinely want to be a force of good, those thoughts quickly become irrelevant when it comes to what her heart truly desires.



Shaunodon said:



(Anyone not bothered/perplexed by Daenerys's sudden character direction, feel free to ignore all this please. Sorry it's so long)

So while watching a GoT video completely unrelated to Daenerys, this scene decided to pop up in the compilation. As I'm pretty sure I mentioned before, there's several examples all throughout the series of Dany showing slips in her mental stability, but this scene (from season 2) felt like a very powerful one.

Her themes are very consistent with what's been shown lately:

  • Obssession with regaining her 'birthright' of the Iron Throne, being the 'rightful' queen, her "take what's mine" attitude
  • Her general sense of entitlement
  • Fascination and total belief in her own destiny and it's story, as quoted by Varys and further talked about between him and Tyrion in the last episode
  • Impatient and demanding attitude, thinking everyone should be serving her when she deems necessary as their Queen. Just like not allowing the Northern troops any time to rest, and the impatience that she can't wait any longer to reclaim her 'birthright' (even knowing by this point that it's not hers), even mentioning how Cersei can "still call herself Queen" (enraged by someone else having "what's mine")
  • The (not so) subtle threat at the end of this scene, that she'll do whatever, and spill however much blood necessary to get "what's mine"

Let's not try and pretend they haven't thought this out from the very beginning. Those points don't even mention:

  • Character acting --erratic changes in facial expression
  • Camera shots --her speaking from a lower position both metaphorically and literally, then later trying to rise up the steps to intimidate and speak down to him, even though she's still in a lower position (metaphorically and physically)
  • Soundtrack --once her demeanor changes and she walks up to The Spice King, a heavy tune suddnely starts filling the background, giving an uneasy feeling that something dark is starting to rise beneath the surface

What's great about this, is that it's easy to believe when you're first watching that she's just a young girl who we sympathise with, and after what she's been through still trying to learn the ways of the world and mature into a good leader. People innevitably get behind her as she manages to keep creating miracles, meanwhile also freeing a lot of people along the way and being seen as their saviour, vindicating her self-righteous personality and making us see her as a force for good.
Yet when you actually go back knowing all that we do now and having seen her character evolve, her true nature comes into stark contrast. Even though she may genuinely want to be a force of good, those thoughts quickly become irrelevant when it comes to what her heart truly desires.

I came here to say something similar. GoT/ASOIAF has always had morally grey characters and Dany is no exception.

In hindsight, Dany has always been this way, it's just we're now seeing her wrath being aimed at people we have also been conditioned to care about and without her adoring entourage reinforcing her own perspective.