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GoT season 8 final episode 6 tonight. (spoiler discussion) Fin. The end... for ever.

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Hyped. 24 55.81%
 
Mildly interested. 11 25.58%
 
Not bothered. 5 11.63%
 
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haxxiy said:
Asriel said:
I was a bit mixed on the latest episode. Not going to share thoughts at length - but there is one thing people could help me with. I've seen a few comments that this latest episode proves season 8 leaks were on the ball. Anyone idea where or when these leaks happened? I know pretty much all of season 7 leaked before hand through scripts.

The Freefolk subreddit, occasionally through 4Chan or Frikidoctor's YouTube (though he no longer does spoilers after HBO threatened a lawsuit, apparently).

TL, DR: there are three solid leaks at this point, which somewhat diverge among themselves. But apparently the three following are more or less confirmed or are more relevant:

Thanks for sharing - do you have a link to any further details? I tried searching but only turn up a bunch of obviously fake stuff.



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Shaunodon said:

I mean you literally have Varys, Tyrion, and Sansa, the three clear-cut smartest people on the show all agreeing Dany has lost her marbles, and a whole 80 minute episode clearly seeing her act like a psycho, and you still think otherwise? The only reason they began conspiring against her is because they've all seen how unstable she is. She was begging Jon to keep his silence because she saw how everyone naturally gravitates towards him, and she felt threatened about losing what she believes is hers, even though she can tell by now he's clearly a better leader, as well as the true heir.

And your spiel about Jon 'can't play the game' makes no sense. When has he been lead around by Sansa or anyone else? Sansa has made a point of expressing her frustration that he never listens to her and just does what he wants. If he did always do as she said, he wouldn't have gone to Dragonstone last season and they'd all be dead. But he also acknowledges her opinions on several matters, is always open to her, and trusts her with the safekeeping of the North.
The reason Jon is being so obedient to Dany is because of love, but mostly because he's honour-bound to her after bending the knee. And he only did that after Dany risked her life for him last season while losing a dragon, which she only did because she loves him.

I'm not immune to the idea that it's poor writing, but I don't think the evidence of someone's descent into madness should be that a few people say it without actual actions.  People keep telling me how out of control Dany is, but I'm not seeing it in the actual character.  She hasn't said or done anything irrational all season.  Sansa obviously has her bias and never liked her in the first place even though Daenerys made an attempt.  Varys has a history of thinking the grass will be greener on the other side.  And Tyrion still believes in her.  Again, it may be bad writing, but if it is, then it's a stunning case of telling not showing when you would think something like madness would be obvious and instead have her doing merciful things like pardoning Jaime.

Jorah's last bit of wisdom to Daenerys was to listen to Tyrion.  I suspect she will in the end.

As for Jon, I'll concede the point, however, Varys would still go out and start wondering whether Gendry would make a better king in short order.

Last edited by NightlyPoe - on 06 May 2019

Well, that was bad.

It's really time for the show to end, they're completely unable to offer quality content now.

Between the (once again) teleporting and invisible fleets, the convenient plot holes, the f*ck you to Ghost... They have no idea what they're doing apparently.



Asriel said:
haxxiy said:

The Freefolk subreddit, occasionally through 4Chan or Frikidoctor's YouTube (though he no longer does spoilers after HBO threatened a lawsuit, apparently).

TL, DR: there are three solid leaks at this point, which somewhat diverge among themselves. But apparently the three following are more or less confirmed or are more relevant:

Thanks for sharing - do you have a link to any further details? I tried searching but only turn up a bunch of obviously fake stuff.

Unfortunately I've lost the links, but I remember a lot of stuff was related to episode 3 and 4 and that is confirmed and known already. I'll update this if I find them.

Edit - here you go. https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/bkc8xd/compilation_of_spoilers_for_got_episodes_46/

The compilation above is missing this one leak, though - https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/8qvg8h/more_possible_spoilers/

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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2019/5/6/18530917/game-of-thrones-got-season-8-hbo-final-last-of-the-starks-starbucks-coffee-cup-blooper&ved=2ahUKEwjowMj_k4fiAhULMawKHR01Dk0QFjAhegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw1SMjSQlvGGbF3YO2jxlEtJ&ampcf=1

As if there wasn't any more proof that the entirety of the shows crew and writers are just phoning it in. Pathetic.



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Well, this tell me they stuffed waaaay to much in waaay to little time



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kirby007 said:
Well, this tell me they stuffed waaaay to much in waaay to little time

That's perhaps the main problem. If you squint hard enough you can see the GRRM ending in all of this. But what should have been solved in three full seasons was stuffed into 13 episodes where D&D decided to take the dumbest paths imaginable to get to the plot points revealed by the writer (and taking their own dumb liberties, such as a girl trained just one year by the faceless men killing the 8000-year old literal embodiment of the apocalypse).

Casual viewers and critics seem to have noticed the sudden dip, specially this season: 8x03 and 8x04 are the lowest rated episodes of the series in IMBD and Rotten Tomatoes (together with the Sansa rape episode for the latter).

It just makes me sad, since a proper book finish to a series I've been interested on for nearly a decade and a half would probably take three full volumes and at least fifteen more years, which GRRM might not have.

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Every Monday now will be a dive into depression until this shit plays out. Two more kick in the balls, I mean episodes. Fuck these hacks.



 

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NightlyPoe said:
Shaunodon said:

I mean you literally have Varys, Tyrion, and Sansa, the three clear-cut smartest people on the show all agreeing Dany has lost her marbles, and a whole 80 minute episode clearly seeing her act like a psycho, and you still think otherwise? The only reason they began conspiring against her is because they've all seen how unstable she is. She was begging Jon to keep his silence because she saw how everyone naturally gravitates towards him, and she felt threatened about losing what she believes is hers, even though she can tell by now he's clearly a better leader, as well as the true heir.

And your spiel about Jon 'can't play the game' makes no sense. When has he been lead around by Sansa or anyone else? Sansa has made a point of expressing her frustration that he never listens to her and just does what he wants. If he did always do as she said, he wouldn't have gone to Dragonstone last season and they'd all be dead. But he also acknowledges her opinions on several matters, is always open to her, and trusts her with the safekeeping of the North.
The reason Jon is being so obedient to Dany is because of love, but mostly because he's honour-bound to her after bending the knee. And he only did that after Dany risked her life for him last season while losing a dragon, which she only did because she loves him.

I'm not immune to the idea that it's poor writing, but I don't think the evidence of someone's descent into madness should be that a few people say it without actual actions.  People keep telling me how out of control Dany is, but I'm not seeing it in the actual character.  She hasn't said or done anything irrational all season.  Sansa obviously has her bias and never liked her in the first place even though Daenerys made an attempt.  Varys has a history of thinking the grass will be greener on the other side.  And Tyrion still believes in her.  Again, it may be bad writing, but if it is, then it's a stunning case of telling not showing when you would think something like madness would be obvious and instead have her doing merciful things like pardoning Jaime.

Jorah's last bit of wisdom to Daenerys was to listen to Tyrion.  I suspect she will in the end.

As for Jon, I'll concede the point, however, Varys would still go out and start wondering whether Gendry would make a better king in short order.

I don't know, like last episode Dany made it pretty darn clear that her idea on how to settle this conflict is to kill thousands of innocent people and destroy King's Landing (which at this point, seems to be a fairly likely result next episode). After being reminded that she is planning to kill the people she came here to save she says something to the effect of "I will sit on the throne by any means necessary".

I feel like that is a pretty hard turn into "not a good person"-land. Yes, she has shown signs of cruelty in the past and that is why I am kind of on the fence about this. She has been brutal to her enemies, but it was always in service of a greater justice. I feel like they rushed too quickly through those middle points where she starts crossing further into the grey and just went from her dipping her toes into the water of "This seems kind of iffy" to "Lets just kill the innocents!". To me, she seems like she is undergoing a complete psychological collapse extremely quickly and in my opinion, without sufficient cause.

It just feels convenient which echoes a lot of other things that have happened this season.



Eh. It’s just not very clever anymore. It’s very disappointing.

I actually liked the first half or whatever, had a bit of the same feel as the second episode, Knight of the Seven Kingdoms, which I thought was good. Basically it all fell apart as soon as Daenerys was ambushed and they shot the dragon. Killing Raegal off like this was a complete waste, and again way too fast and easy. The whole thing is just unrealistic and not believable and had no point; Viserion’s death by the Night King last season actually helped the plot and was clever. This was just shock value, in a bad way. Balistas firing three kill shots perfectly from a kilometer away at a moving, living target, from aboard a moving platform, with a weapon known for not shooting straight. Then, they insta-reload, twice. Nevermind that Euron’s fleet should’ve been seen coming long before.

People already talked about how the strategy made little sense, that characters are teleporting around and that there are cut and pacing issues. Again I’d question the execution of the scene but at least killing Missandei could prove to be necessary for setting up the final confrontation. Kind of excuses Grey Worm surviving last episode. Then there’s loads of minor stuff all around.

It’s sad that this final season has dropped the ball like this with it’s story. Condencing the final two seasons into fewer episodes has not payed off at all, even though season 7 was still great overall. It’s even sadder that I know I actually could’ve come up with a better ending to this story than what we’re getting. Every fan theory, you know like Bran being the Night King and whatnot, was more clever than what we’re getting.

And a coffee cup left in a shot? Really? Two years of filming and editing and no one noticed this? It’s even front and center at one point. That just makes it feel like they didn’t care anymore, or were just joking around, which is disrespectful. Talking about the crew here, the actors are still trying their best.

Last edited by S.Peelman - on 06 May 2019