Quantcast
This guy tells it like it is reguarding the Borderlands 3 exclusivity with epic games store.

Forums - Microsoft Discussion - This guy tells it like it is reguarding the Borderlands 3 exclusivity with epic games store.

The problem is that instead of Epic coming out with a store that was equal to or better than Steam, then enticing devs with better incentives (this part I believe they do), they released a bare bones storefront with poor security and features, then just started buying up timed exclusives to force people to use their store if they want the game on release. It's a shitty business practice and I'm surprised to see anyone support it.



Around the Network
Bristow9091 said:

I don't understand people being upset with something like this, it's not like they have to buy a whole new PC to play the game like console gamers do with console exclusive games... all they've got to do is download a FREE launcher to be able to buy and play their game. It's a complete non-issue for me, lol.

Well technically there's a few things missing that Steam offers such as Cloud saves, achievements, controller support, support forums/reviews (which is something I use often).

But most of all for me is competitive pricing. When the only option is to buy from the store that hosts the game, its really hard to buy it from there because the price is fixed like a monopoly.

Compare that to Steam games where numerous stores are selling it at different prices and all are superior to Steam store's pricing. For an example I was able to buy Final Fantasy X/X-2 off of GMG for $10 compared to Steam's lowest pricing which was $15. Not only is it cheaper for me but SE gets a bigger cut from it because selling Steam keys off on third party sites gets Valve 0% which is why its cheaper to buy games on those storefronts.

I mostly buy my SE games from SE's online store and the prices there are better than Steam's.

As for me I dont mind waiting a few months or even a year to buy a game. Eventually most games will end up like Vampire Masquerade bloodlines 2 which will be (so far) available on Steam, GOG and EGS at release.



    

Basil's YouTube Channel


                    

Acevil said:
Based on historical statement on this sites, I don't see this ending well. I agree with his sentiment, not necessarily his tone/language, but honestly the tone of the majority anti-epic is also awful as well.

You can say the same for the pro-epic users as well especially since they turn a blind eye to all the anti-consumer aspects. Most of the animosity comes from hating a successful service/business - kinda like how some MS and Nintendo fans hate Sony due to the PS4's success, ironically enough most of the people who are pro-epic on internet gaming forums dont even use EGS.

Last edited by BasilZero - on 14 April 2019

    

Basil's YouTube Channel


                    

BasilZero said:
Acevil said:
Based on historical statement on this sites, I don't see this ending well. I agree with his sentiment, not necessarily his tone/language, but honestly the tone of the majority anti-epic is also awful as well.

You can say the same for the pro-epic users as well especially since they turn a blind eye to all the anti-consumer aspects. Most of the animosity comes from hating a successful service/business - kinda like how some MS and Nintendo fans hate Sony due to the PS4's success, ironically enough most of the people who are pro-epic on internet gaming forums dont even use EGS.

I believe the situation has changed now and it will be Valve who will have to compete.  What I mean by this is that bigger players are coming and they are throwing money around.  Prices will have to be more competitive and Valve will have to cater more to offset these type of exclusive deals.  Yes, Valve has the better overall service but if enough top games do not come to their store at the same time gamers will go where the games are.  Once Epic is feature complete with Valve, then things gets even worse.



Machiavellian said:

I believe the situation has changed now and it will be Valve who will have to compete.  What I mean by this is that bigger players are coming and they are throwing money around.  Prices will have to be more competitive and Valve will have to cater more to offset these type of exclusive deals.  Yes, Valve has the better overall service but if enough top games do not come to their store at the same time gamers will go where the games are.  Once Epic is feature complete with Valve, then things gets even worse.

I dont think there's much they can do about moneyhat deals, not that it matters because we're not talking Xbox360 type of Moneyhatting against PS3 - these are small scale because they are 6 months to 12 months long and not like a generation's worth like what happened with Dead Rising, Saints Row, etc

There hasnt been a single game that is on EGS that wont be coming to Steam (excluding Fortnite which Epic owns and possibly Ubisoft games which are already better price value than what Steam or EGS offers in the first place due to the example I provided in my previous post above).

However incentives to buy games on Steam have already happened such as what happened during the Lunar Year sale where they offered a discount on top of purchasing a certain amount of games, something that they never have done before and something that third party resellers usually do.

So as a consumer, this is a huge win for my wallet.

EGS is gonna have to step up and like GOG (where they had a policy to be against VNs only to be reversed due to the success of VNs on Steam) they are gonna be forced to make changes to the policies they mentioned when they first arrived - such as in their stance for support forums, user reviews, cloud saves, etc and of course third party key selling - these are all things that Epic said that they wont provide because they believe "Steam has too many features".

They'll eventually be pushed by Steam's success and all the dirt that is being thrown at them by the overall PC gaming community and will provide them - overall in the end I believe its gonna be a Win win situation for all PC gamers.

Epic's gonna have to do more than moneyhatting 6 month or 1 year exclusivity to have a edge over Steam. Something like getting PC exclusivity over console releases (i.e. console versions getting delayed for EGS release) - I can see that happening and if so that is gonna be awesome!



I also disagree on with what you say is gonna get worse, I think its gonna get better because Valve will definitely improve the service on top of what they have been doing these past 10 years - Origin and Uplay are better than what they were when they first were released, now they mimic'd a lot of what Steam has and its been a great experience. Its only gonna get better for the PC gaming market going forward.

Last edited by BasilZero - on 14 April 2019

    

Basil's YouTube Channel


                    

Around the Network
BasilZero said:
Machiavellian said:

I believe the situation has changed now and it will be Valve who will have to compete.  What I mean by this is that bigger players are coming and they are throwing money around.  Prices will have to be more competitive and Valve will have to cater more to offset these type of exclusive deals.  Yes, Valve has the better overall service but if enough top games do not come to their store at the same time gamers will go where the games are.  Once Epic is feature complete with Valve, then things gets even worse.

I dont think there's much they can do about moneyhat deals.

However incentives to buy games on Steam have already happened such as what happened during the Lunar Year sale where they offered a discount on top of purchasing a certain amount of games, something that they never have done before and something that third party resellers usually do.

So as a consumer, this is a huge win for my wallet.

There hasnt been a single game that is on EGS that wont be coming to Steam (excluding Fortnite which Epic owns and possibly Ubisoft games which are already better price value than what Steam or EGS offers in the first place due to the example I provided in my previous post above).

EGS is gonna have to step up and like GOG (where they had a policy to be against VNs only to be reversed due to the success of VNs on Steam) they are gonna be forced to make changes to the policies they mentioned when they first arrived - such as in their stance for support forums, user reviews, cloud saves, etc and of course third party key selling - these are all things that Epic said that they wont provide because they believe "Steam has too many features". They'll eventually be pushed by Steam's success and will provide them - overall in the end I believe its gonna be a Win win situation for all PC gamers.

Epic's gonna have to do more than moneyhatting 6 month or 1 year exclusivity to have a edge over Steam. Something like getting PC exclusivity over console releases (i.e. console versions getting delayed for EGS release) - I can see that happening and if so that is gonna be awesome!



I also disagree on with what you say is gonna get worse, I think its gonna get better because Valve will definitely improve the service on top of what they have been doing these past 10 years - Origin and Uplay are better than what they were when they first were released, now they mimic'd a lot of what Steam has and its been a great experience. Its only gonna get better for the PC gaming market going forward.

I hope you're right on this. What I fear is that some will see that you don't need a great store, just enough money to burn on moneyhatting the big releases for their own shops, and start more competitors (or some established ones with much money behind, like Origin) doing essentially the same thing like Epic did. "After all, it worked for them, so why wouldn't it work for us?" would probably be what the corporate bosses in the industry are thinking right now.



Bofferbrauer2 said:

I hope you're right on this. What I fear is that some will see that you don't need a great store, just enough money to burn on moneyhatting the big releases for their own shops, and start more competitors (or some established ones with much money behind, like Origin) doing essentially the same thing like Epic did. "After all, it worked for them, so why wouldn't it work for us?" would probably be what the corporate bosses in the industry are thinking right now.

Assuming it actually works for them is when you need to worry about it lol.

Notice how they dont mention the success of any other EGS released game other than Metro (which for a week or so was being sold pre-ordered on Steam and was in the top sellers list for the entire week it was available) and The Division 2 which was available on Uplay and you can get a better discount on Uplay if you had Uplay points/coins than on the EGS Store.

Its gonna be interesting to see how the overall sales amount is after 2020 ends.

I mean the publishers will be happy getting a lump sum of money from Epic and then selling majority of the game on either Steam or GOG.

Its gonna keep happening but I think in the long run, it wont be as bad as you think it will be.

A lot of people said that Xbox360 would kill Playstation 3 with all those exclusivity deals that MS had (Star Ocean being delayed, Saints Row, Dead Rising, etc)


Look where the successors are now - I think its gonna be close to that if anything.



    

Basil's YouTube Channel


                    

kirby007 said:
The vid in one word : lulz

You should watch his other 100's of video, where he goes nuclear on SJWs, feminists, diversity, gender equality, white knights, liberals, traditional conservatives, singlemothers, mainstream culture, the government and lots of videos on gender dynamics in relation to how women view and treat men. I always get a good laugh.

Last edited by Metroid33slayer - on 14 April 2019

I am having a good laugh seeing pc gamers lose their fucking minds over this " first world problem ".

Dude in the video is right, i will never understand the steam cult and gabe newell cult. Stop bitching , spend 2 minutes making a epic acount or dont and shut the fuck up and miss those titles. Epic have every right to do this and devs to make the games exclusive cause the epic store gives them more profit in every sale.

~ User was moderated for this post ~

tads 12

Last edited by trasharmdsister12 - on 15 April 2019

 

ClassicGamingWizzz said:
I am having a good laugh seeing pc gamers lose their fucking minds over this " first world problem ".

Dude in the video is right, i will never understand the steam cult and gabe newell cult. Stop bitching , spend 2 minutes making a epic acount or dont and shut the fuck up and miss those titles. Epic have every right to do this and devs to make the games exclusive cause the epic store gives them more profit in every sale.

are you sure you aren't attacking pc gamers out of jealousy of our higher frame rates and resolutions?

i can hook up a monitor to my pc which runs at 120 frames and 4k why shouldn't i expect then that borderlands 3 come to steam?