AbbathTheGrim said:
Hiku said:
I'm more curious about Palpatine's laugh. Apparently Ian McDiarmid (the actor who plays Palpatine) went out on stage after the teaser debuted.
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You could say that bringing the Emperor is a good idea to end the Skywalker saga, but I also take it like an acknowledgement that they completely dropped the ball with the mediocre "villains" in those two movies.
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The sad thing is that Snoke actually could have been a good villian. Especially if they went the Darth Plagueis route, who was already said to have been able to influence life and save others from death with his power. Instead, he became a big joke. At one point he's made out to be one of the most powerful Sith, then the next he's cut in half with the most juvenile trick.
Hiku said:
thismeintiel said:
She's a typical Mary Sue. Considering they're bringing back Luke and Palpatine, instead of sticking with Rian Johnson's vision, just shows they know they fucked up. That and they have no vision of their own. This will probably be fan service to the millionth degree. I'm skipping.
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There were 99 other problems with the film imo, and I don't think anyone can confidently pinpoint any one particular reason for a course correction in IX.
I don't like how Rey got so strong before training, but that was honestly one of the smallest issues I had with the film. And I'd wager the issue people feel more strongly about is how they handled Luke, given that his character has such a long legacy. But in TLJ, Luke who would even see the good in Darth Vader,
Spoiler!
considered butchering his nephew in his sleep as his FIRST choice.
Emphasis on 'first'. That's just not his character. I didn't buy it. And then there was the map to Skywalker. But
Spoiler!
he didn't want to help out even when he heard that his best friend had been killed.
There were so many issues I had with that film, I'd have to write an essay to go through half of them.
And even if they revive
that doesn't necessarily mean J.J. Abrams disagrees with Rian Johnson's vission of Luke (although I would hope it does). It could also be because of something like Leia's actor dying, and they originally planned to have her play an important role at the end. But now they need a different character to fill that spot.
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I'd say her being a Mary Sue is a HUGE issue for many, as the character we are supposed to be following and rooting for has no true arc or real flaws. It's just a bland character that is hard to get invested in. It doesn't help that it destroys the Force and Jedi mythos just as much as midichlorians did in TPM. Here's an individual who was born with all this power, yet somehow never showed any signs of it until halfway through the first film AND, by far the worst part, becomes the most powerful Jedi without earning it through any training whatsoever. I just don't understand how modern day writers, who are supposed to be these feminist allies, write such horribly bland female characters. It's as if they think it makes them a stronger character just by having her be handed her powers/skills because she is better than any man who had to earn them.
As to the problem with Luke you pointed out, I don't mind if he had come into the tent with his lightsaber drawn, but it should have been because he felt a threat coming from within. He goes in and finds only his nephew, who misunderstands the situation, and attacks Luke. Now, what I can't buy whatsoever is Luke just giving up on his nephew, sister, and friends, just to go die on an island. Not when he could sense the good in his father and did everything to bring him back. And definitely not when it was his screw up that lead to the situation at hand. It did just completely ruin Luke's character. Which they may continue to do if they make Rey his daughter, like some have theorized because of the new film's title.
I don't know about the last point, though. Leia is in the new film it seems. Maybe its only for a short scene. Though, they may end up using the face replacement they used in Rogue One.
Last edited by thismeintiel - on 13 April 2019