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Otherwise no strong feelings. Though I wouldn't consider myself a Star War fan in the first place so it doesn't really matter that much. I liked the original trilogy, and thought the prequels were fun in a dumb kind of way, but the first one with Rey kinda bored me so I haven't watched any of them since.

I am curious how Palpatine is back. I think I had toy of a Palpatine clone from the EU back when I was a kid, so maybe that's a thing. Or maybe he's a Sith ghost, and they only appear to young bad guys like Jedi ghosts appear to young good guys.



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1) I think people misjudge Luke's personality quite a bit in Eps IV-VI and VIII.  IV-VI Luke is incredibly naive.  Even in VI.  In The Return of the Jedi Anakin is still driven by the same thing that turned him to the Dark Side in the first place.  To control chaos, to control the galaxy against those things he perceives as injustice, by force if necessary.  Only with his son joining him would he be able to do what he wanted to accomplish, only with the imminent death of his son does he finally realize the folly, the futile nature of his goal, especially at that point.

That naivety carries Luke into his actions with his nephew.  He has the vision of his nephews corruption and thus makes his hesitant decision, only to realize that that decision itself is what fulfilled the vision in the first place.  A not uncommon theme.

I think is actions in VIII are fully within character. Nor do I see an issue with a map, pieced together from clues by people trying to find him on both sides.

2) Wracked with the guilt of his own failure he makes yet another naive decision that Jedi and their actions, his actions, will come to ruin.  He shuts himself away in a remote place.  VIII actually has a recurring theme that Luke incorrectly caries over from ep V.  He will only make things worse if he interferes.  In V he finds out about his father, he loses a hand, Han is trapped in carbonite, Leia is now slave to Jabba, etc.  Finally at the last he decides to intervene and face the decision he made against his Nephew.

3) I highly doubt Luke gets revived in any sense.  Force ghost sure, there is plenty of precedence for that.  There is also plenty of potential lore to account for some influence of Palpatine to rear its head in IX.

Just...   No.



AbbathTheGrim said:
Hiku said:


I'm more curious about Palpatine's laugh. Apparently Ian McDiarmid (the actor who plays Palpatine) went out on stage after the teaser debuted.

You could say that bringing the Emperor is a good idea to end the Skywalker saga, but I also take it like an acknowledgement that they completely dropped the ball with the mediocre "villains" in those two movies.

The sad thing is that Snoke actually could have been a good villian.  Especially if they went the Darth Plagueis route, who was already said to have been able to influence life and save others from death with his power.  Instead, he became a big joke.  At one point he's made out to be one of the most powerful Sith, then the next he's cut in half with the most juvenile trick.

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thismeintiel said:

She's a typical Mary Sue. Considering they're bringing back Luke and Palpatine, instead of sticking with Rian Johnson's vision, just shows they know they fucked up. That and they have no vision of their own. This will probably be fan service to the millionth degree. I'm skipping.

There were 99 other problems with the film imo, and I don't think anyone can confidently pinpoint any one particular reason for a course correction in IX.

I don't like how Rey got so strong before training, but that was honestly one of the smallest issues I had with the film.
And I'd wager the issue people feel more strongly about is how they handled Luke, given that his character has such a long legacy.
But in TLJ, Luke who would even see the good in Darth Vader,

Spoiler!
considered butchering his nephew in his sleep as his FIRST choice. 

Emphasis on 'first'.
That's just not his character. I didn't buy it.
And then there was the map to Skywalker. But

Spoiler!

he didn't want to help out even when he heard that his best friend had been killed.

There were so many issues I had with that film, I'd have to write an essay to go through half of them.

And even if they revive

Spoiler!
Luke

that doesn't necessarily mean J.J. Abrams disagrees with Rian Johnson's vission of Luke (although I would hope it does). It could also be because of something like Leia's actor dying, and they originally planned to have her play an important role at the end. But now they need a different character to fill that spot.

I'd say her being a Mary Sue is a HUGE issue for many, as the character we are supposed to be following and rooting for has no true arc or real flaws. It's just a bland character that is hard to get invested in. It doesn't help that it destroys the Force and Jedi mythos just as much as midichlorians did in TPM.  Here's an individual who was born with all this power, yet somehow never showed any signs of it until halfway through the first film AND, by far the worst part, becomes the most powerful Jedi without earning it through any training whatsoever.  I just don't understand how modern day writers, who are supposed to be these feminist allies, write such horribly bland female characters.  It's as if they think it makes them a stronger character just by having her be handed her powers/skills because she is better than any man who had to earn them.

As to the problem with Luke you pointed out, I don't mind if he had come into the tent with his lightsaber drawn, but it should have been because he felt a threat coming from within.  He goes in and finds only his nephew, who misunderstands the situation, and attacks Luke.  Now, what I can't buy whatsoever is Luke just giving up on his nephew, sister, and friends, just to go die on an island.  Not when he could sense the good in his father and did everything to bring him back.  And definitely not when it was his screw up that lead to the situation at hand.  It did just completely ruin Luke's character.  Which they may continue to do if they make Rey his daughter, like some have theorized because of the new film's title.

I don't know about the last point, though.  Leia is in the new film it seems.  Maybe its only for a short scene.  Though, they may end up using the face replacement they used in Rogue One.

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After the horrific travesty that was The Last Jedi, this will be the first Star Wars film released in my lifetime that I won't be seeing in cinemas. Disney has killed the franchise for me. It's become such a poorly thought out mishmash of cynical focus tested tackiness.

I couldn't believe how boring that movie was, I was almost angry for wasting the 30 minutes that I endured.



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Sorry, I don't watch garbage feminist mary sue propaganda. Screw Disney for throwing out the integrity of the franchise.

Movie looks like crap already.

Im sorry i dont care about toxic masculinity and man who cant handle strong females. Get your self a confidence and open your mind. There is a life outside your Man Cave.  Anyway, i like the trailer, more a teaser.  Cant wait.

Guys don't really hate strong female characters though, they existed in films far before this new progressive bullshit started.

I think the real problem is new movies suck and not just because they cater to SJWs.



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She's not a Mary Sue, looking at the clues of the films, IMO Rey is Anakin Skywalker 2.0.

I bet in Ep. 9 it will be revealed that her mother was a nobody ... but her actual birth father is literally a nobody. She is born of the Force, just like Anakin, there is no father for either of them, they are the only two pure children of the Force.

And in Buddhist style "Chosen Ones" like Anakin and Rey are linked like reincarnated Dalai Lamas, since Star Wars cribs heavily from Eastern religions.

That's why

1.) Anakin's Lightsaber calls out for her

2.) She has Force abilities well beyond what a novice should have. Particularly aptitude with piloting, mechanical stuff, and lightsaber fighting ... all things Anakin was good at. She has access to Anakin's abilities, in IX I suspect you will see her start to experience some of his memories too. 

3.) When Kylo tells her she "comes from nothing" in The Last Jedi ... he's literally telling is the truth, lol. There's no father, she's born from literally nothing but the Force.  

It all fits and basically closes every mystery box. "Rise of the Skywalker" means the Skywalker bloodline lives through her, since Skywalker bloodline originates from the Force directly and not from a person. Luke, Leia, and Kylo have it by biological birth, but Anakin and Rey are special as they have it directly from the Force. 



Soundwave said:

She's not a Mary Sue, looking at the clues of the films, IMO Rey is Anakin Skywalker 2.0.

I bet in Ep. 9 it will be revealed that her mother was a nobody ... but her actual birth father is literally a nobody. She is born of the Force, just like Anakin, there is no father for either of them, they are the only two pure children of the Force.

And in Buddhist style "Chosen Ones" like Anakin and Rey are linked like reincarnated Dalai Lamas, since Star Wars cribs heavily from Eastern religions.

That's why

1.) Anakin's Lightsaber calls out for her

2.) She has Force abilities well beyond what a novice should have. Particularly aptitude with piloting, mechanical stuff, and lightsaber fighting ... all things Anakin was good at. She has access to Anakin's abilities, in IX I suspect you will see her start to experience some of his memories too. 

3.) When Kylo tells her she "comes from nothing" in The Last Jedi ... he's literally telling is the truth, lol. There's no father, she's born from literally nothing but the Force.  

It all fits and basically closes every mystery box. "Rise of the Skywalker" means the Skywalker bloodline lives through her, since Skywalker bloodline originates from the Force directly and not from a person. Luke, Leia, and Kylo have it by biological birth, but Anakin and Rey are special as they have it directly from the Force. 

I would have liked her to have had some more fleshed out learning and hardship before being as skilled as she is now because that helps us relate more to that kind of characters,i think the last jedi handled this very badly and focussed too much on sidepaths and a wacky spaceship chase.

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Soundwave said:

She's not a Mary Sue, looking at the clues of the films, IMO Rey is Anakin Skywalker 2.0.

I bet in Ep. 9 it will be revealed that her mother was a nobody ... but her actual birth father is literally a nobody. She is born of the Force, just like Anakin, there is no father for either of them, they are the only two pure children of the Force.

And in Buddhist style "Chosen Ones" like Anakin and Rey are linked like reincarnated Dalai Lamas, since Star Wars cribs heavily from Eastern religions.

That's why

1.) Anakin's Lightsaber calls out for her

2.) She has Force abilities well beyond what a novice should have. Particularly aptitude with piloting, mechanical stuff, and lightsaber fighting ... all things Anakin was good at. She has access to Anakin's abilities, in IX I suspect you will see her start to experience some of his memories too. 

3.) When Kylo tells her she "comes from nothing" in The Last Jedi ... he's literally telling is the truth, lol. There's no father, she's born from literally nothing but the Force.  

It all fits and basically closes every mystery box. "Rise of the Skywalker" means the Skywalker bloodline lives through her, since Skywalker bloodline originates from the Force directly and not from a person. Luke, Leia, and Kylo have it by biological birth, but Anakin and Rey are special as they have it directly from the Force. 

Your points trying to defend her against Mary Sue status just helps reinforce the fact that she is a Mary Sue.  It was the same road Lucas was seemingly about to go down with Anakin.  Fortunately, he had the sense to change course, or maybe just listened to criticism, and didn't just have him the best at everything for no good reason.

And no, using the lazy "it's the Force" excuse doesn't fly here.  The Force is something one must be trained in to master it, not just master it on your own in a matter of days.  Even the "chosen one" Anakin had to train under Obi-Wan for over a decade to get as good as he was.  Even Kylo, who Luke states in TLJ, was the only other time he experienced power like Rey's, had to train for a decade or more.

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