| thismeintiel said: 1) Her parentage is important to an extent. That would have made her more prone to being able to use the Force. However, it doesn't matter if her father was Space Jesus himself, being more prone to use the Force doesn't mean you can master it with no training. And like I said above, her having a couple years of it in childhood still wouldn't explain it, because she wouldn't have been moving onto the much more difficult training at such a young age and so quickly. Every Jedi master we have seen has had to go through several years, even decades, of training to get to where they are, even Space Jesus Anakin and Kylo, who Luke alludes to being as powerful as Rey, even though the films have him weaker. 2) Of course, I think most would still have forgiven it if in the 2nd film they 1) made her the daughter of someone special and 2) had Luke put her through some actual training on the island. It would have basically been what Lucas did with Anakin. In TPM, Anakin is clearly on the Gary Stu path. Overpowered (though, admittedly not in everything, like Rey) with no real good reason, and pretty much everyone liked him. However, in the sequels he was corrected to being a character, with flaws and actually having to go through training to achieve his power. Instead, she was born of no one special and received no training, yet got even stronger in power. 3) Yea, writers seemed to be on this kick of "girls can do whatever men can do, girl power," good writing be damned. No one would have a problem with a woman being the most powerful character, or on the same level as the most powerful male, but they HAVE TO EARN IT. When you just copy/paste other character's powers on to them when its convenient, instead of having them have to go through the same trials to amass those powers, it makes for a weak character. And it really doesn't help women, it hurts them. It's like they are saying that women couldn't stand or identify with a flawed character, or one that starts out weak and grows, or God forbid, is trained by a man. Nope, they have to start out competent in pretty much everything, gain powers when needed, and be almost 100% flawless or those two dimensional women won't like the character/film. |
1) Anakin came out of a slave that had no apparent affinity to the Force, in his case he was the chosen one, conceived by the Force itself. But I think it is safe to say that the Force does favor some people with a higher midi-chlorian count and that opens up their capacities. But of course, the capacity of a Force sensitive person doesn't translate to them coming up with techniques out of thin air, for that there is training and the writers of both Ep 7 & Ep 8 said: fuck training.
The techniques that Rey used and their degree of difficulty can be determined by whatever the canon says about them. What degree of difficulty does it require or what stage of training does it require to learn and/or be taught, for example, to manipulate people and make them do stuff? The answer to that is in the canon, if there is no precedent then it is opened to be written about.
In the case of Rey and any hypothetical training she could have had, it depends of whatever we could imagine was possible she was thought, and how orthodox and "by the books" was that training.
You know, all of these conjectures were kind of possible because JJ kind of lets us play with the idea in Ep 7 that she lost part of her memory and that it was coming back. But then Johnson turned it into something more like: Rey was suppressing memories. At least that was my interpretation.
2) In The Phantom Menace Anakin showed heighten reflexes and he had experience as a pilot being a slave to a ship junkyard owner. Correct me if I am wrong but Anakin didn't invent techniques in those movies. I see no problem in Force-sensitive characters like Rey and Anakin having some superior capabilities to normal people as long as they are not spitting techniques without training.
Anakin was a little boy so he had that "everyone is nice to a child" thing going on.
3) I wouldn't be surprised if writing Luke getting bested by Rey after he taught her those vague lessons was the way that "male" writers tried to compensate and nod to any possible backlash of "oh no, another man mansplaining to a woman and another female character that has to be explained what to do by a man" narrative.
And you know, maybe there wouldn't have been any backlash from Luke training Rey and people, including feminists or at least a possible majority of them, would have no problem and would understand that Luke could teach a young female learner of the Force like Rey, but when you have this list of things that writers "must do" or that they "shouldn't do" because they will get bad reviews or criticism, then I wouldn't be surprised if writers just try to evade writing those things into their movies just to evade backlash. And then writing fiction gets smothered by the whims of the outrage generation that demands those do's and don'ts when you are writing any female character.
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