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I love animals, but some of them just exist to be eaten. It's the circle of life

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https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/mar/04/animal-protein-diets-smoking-meat-eggs-dairy

"A diet rich in meat, eggs, milk and cheese could be as harmful to health as smoking, according to a controversial study into the impact of protein consumption on longevity.

High levels of dietary animal protein in people under 65 years of age was linked to a fourfold increase in their risk of death from cancer or diabetes, and almost double the risk of dying from any cause over an 18-year period, researchers found. However, nutrition experts have cautioned that it's too early to draw firm conclusions from the research.

The overall harmful effects seen in the study were almost completely wiped out when the protein came from plant sources, such as beans and legumes, though cancer risk was still three times as high in middle-aged people who ate a protein-rich diet, compared with those on a low-protein diet."



Dark_Lord_2008 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/mar/04/animal-protein-diets-smoking-meat-eggs-dairy

"A diet rich in meat, eggs, milk and cheese could be as harmful to health as smoking, according to a controversial study into the impact of protein consumption on longevity.

High levels of dietary animal protein in people under 65 years of age was linked to a fourfold increase in their risk of death from cancer or diabetes, and almost double the risk of dying from any cause over an 18-year period, researchers found. However, nutrition experts have cautioned that it's too early to draw firm conclusions from the research.

The overall harmful effects seen in the study were almost completely wiped out when the protein came from plant sources, such as beans and legumes, though cancer risk was still three times as high in middle-aged people who ate a protein-rich diet, compared with those on a low-protein diet."

There is no singular cause for diabetes, hence why there are multiple "types" of the disease... So any article that tries tries to make a "definitive, no exceptions" link between that and any dietary habits is disingenuous at best and should thus be discarded in it's entirety.

Type 1 diabetes is caused by the immune system destroying the cells inside your pancreas that make insulin.

Type 2 diabetes has very strong genetic links, plus diet/obesity (usually carb/sugar rich foods) are significant triggers.

Can protein rich foods cause diabetes? Shit yes. Anything you consume which initiates an insulin response can actually cause diabetes... Your body will convert excess protein into glycogen remember.

Where Protein rich foods will not put you at risk is if you live a very active lifestyle, where your body uses and needs the proteins for muscle function, hence why Ketogenic/Paleo/Atkins and other low-carb, protein rich diets can be extremely beneficial for such people. (That and weight loss as it's great for cuts.)

How do I know this? I used to work in the health industry and care for those with Diabetes. I am also an Athlete.

Anyone who conflates Smoking and Protein though needs a reality check, not even in the same league. Protein (And other substances like Creatine) and it's effects on the body is well studied at this point.
Probably a good thing that even the article itself states there is insufficient evidence to draw any definitive conclusion though.



melbye said:
I love animals, but some of them just exist to be eaten. It's the circle of life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjsVRIqOhGA

The good thing is, since we're at the very top of the food chain, ALL animals exist to be eaten by us!



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Pemalite said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/mar/04/animal-protein-diets-smoking-meat-eggs-dairy

"A diet rich in meat, eggs, milk and cheese could be as harmful to health as smoking, according to a controversial study into the impact of protein consumption on longevity.

High levels of dietary animal protein in people under 65 years of age was linked to a fourfold increase in their risk of death from cancer or diabetes, and almost double the risk of dying from any cause over an 18-year period, researchers found. However, nutrition experts have cautioned that it's too early to draw firm conclusions from the research.

The overall harmful effects seen in the study were almost completely wiped out when the protein came from plant sources, such as beans and legumes, though cancer risk was still three times as high in middle-aged people who ate a protein-rich diet, compared with those on a low-protein diet."

There is no singular cause for diabetes, hence why there are multiple "types" of the disease... So any article that tries tries to make a "definitive, no exceptions" link between that and any dietary habits is disingenuous at best and should thus be discarded in it's entirety.

Type 1 diabetes is caused by the immune system destroying the cells inside your pancreas that make insulin.

Type 2 diabetes has very strong genetic links, plus diet/obesity (usually carb/sugar rich foods) are significant triggers.

Can protein rich foods cause diabetes? Shit yes. Anything you consume which initiates an insulin response can actually cause diabetes... Your body will convert excess protein into glycogen remember.

Where Protein rich foods will not put you at risk is if you live a very active lifestyle, where your body uses and needs the proteins for muscle function, hence why Ketogenic/Paleo/Atkins and other low-carb, protein rich diets can be extremely beneficial for such people. (That and weight loss as it's great for cuts.)

How do I know this? I used to work in the health industry and care for those with Diabetes. I am also an Athlete.

Anyone who conflates Smoking and Protein though needs a reality check, not even in the same league. Protein (And other substances like Creatine) and it's effects on the body is well studied at this point.
Probably a good thing that even the article itself states there is insufficient evidence to draw any definitive conclusion though.

On another note, is it ban worthy to introduce a discussion topic and then never engage with any of the posters? OP does that a lot. He posts controversial topics and then just ignores everyone and spams his own opinion over and over without engaging with anyone.

What I'm saying is, you will definitely not get an answer to your post.



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vivster said:
Pemalite said:

There is no singular cause for diabetes, hence why there are multiple "types" of the disease... So any article that tries tries to make a "definitive, no exceptions" link between that and any dietary habits is disingenuous at best and should thus be discarded in it's entirety.

Type 1 diabetes is caused by the immune system destroying the cells inside your pancreas that make insulin.

Type 2 diabetes has very strong genetic links, plus diet/obesity (usually carb/sugar rich foods) are significant triggers.

Can protein rich foods cause diabetes? Shit yes. Anything you consume which initiates an insulin response can actually cause diabetes... Your body will convert excess protein into glycogen remember.

Where Protein rich foods will not put you at risk is if you live a very active lifestyle, where your body uses and needs the proteins for muscle function, hence why Ketogenic/Paleo/Atkins and other low-carb, protein rich diets can be extremely beneficial for such people. (That and weight loss as it's great for cuts.)

How do I know this? I used to work in the health industry and care for those with Diabetes. I am also an Athlete.

Anyone who conflates Smoking and Protein though needs a reality check, not even in the same league. Protein (And other substances like Creatine) and it's effects on the body is well studied at this point.
Probably a good thing that even the article itself states there is insufficient evidence to draw any definitive conclusion though.

On another note, is it ban worthy to introduce a discussion topic and then never engage with any of the posters? OP does that a lot. He posts controversial topics and then just ignores everyone and spams his own opinion over and over without engaging with anyone.

What I'm saying is, you will definitely not get an answer to your post.

Well. He at-least participates within his threads. Whether he wishes to engage with any specific posters is entirely up to him... He generally ignores me anyway, but I don't reply to his posts for his sake, but for other users who might find my opinion/perspective more valuable.

In short, not aware of any specific rule...



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One flawed part in the arguments against meat consumption, is that some suspected ill effects aren't tied to meat, not even red one, if consumed moderately and not cooked in unhelthy ways, but to some harmful meat additives, particularly nitrites and also nitrates if not used together with some mostly harmless, or even beneficial additives, within the maximum daily recommended amount, for example ascorbic acid, that reduce the conversion from nitrates to nitrites.



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The obesity problem can be resolved by people eating whole food Vegan diet. It is high consumption of meat and dairy that leads to obesity. In America people regularly eat: 10 pound steaks, all you can fried chicken, seafood, pizza and super sized fast food meals. Americans are obese/fat because they simply eat too much meat and dairy. That freedom to eat what you want is making you all obese/fat and lots of health problems that are easily preventable by a change in diet.

On the other hand we have North African people that are slim and lean and stick to plant based diets. Most of the Olympic Gold Medallist from 800m to Marathon distances have all been from North Africa: Kenya, Ethiopia, Morocco, Algeria, etc. They mainly stick to a plant based diet and they are not obese/fat like many Americans and Europeans.

Paleo diets and other fad diets that push high consumption of meat/dairy in the long run only lead to obesity/fat and lots of health problems. Vegan diets reduce obesity/fat and reduce health problems.



Dark_Lord_2008 said:
The obesity problem can be resolved by people eating whole food Vegan diet. It is high consumption of meat and dairy that leads to obesity.

Fake news.

Dark_Lord_2008 said:

In America people regularly eat: 10 pound steaks, all you can fried chicken, seafood, pizza and super sized fast food meals. Americans are obese/fat because they simply eat too much meat and dairy. That freedom to eat what you want is making you all obese/fat and lots of health problems that are easily preventable by a change in diet.

False.

Dark_Lord_2008 said:
On the other hand we have North African people that are slim and lean and stick to plant based diets. Most of the Olympic Gold Medallist from 800m to Marathon distances have all been from North Africa: Kenya, Ethiopia, Morocco, Algeria, etc. They mainly stick to a plant based diet and they are not obese/fat like many Americans and Europeans.

Do some research on general health and well-being. Start with calories.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calorie

Dark_Lord_2008 said:

Paleo diets and other fad diets that push high consumption of meat/dairy in the long run only lead to obesity/fat and lots of health problems. Vegan diets reduce obesity/fat and reduce health problems.

The largest contributor to modern day obesity is sugar/carbs.

Sugar/carbs tends to be Vegan.

Sugar/Carbs tends to be in everything we consume, drinks, fruits, vegetables, pasta, bread.

You should probably do some research and get educated... Entire groups of people live only on meat in the Arctic regions and have some of the longest life expectancies and healthiest lives in the world.

Then take a look at Sumo-wrestlers in Japan, they tend to survive on Carb-dense foods. (Sugar being a carb.)

At the end of the day though, doesn't matter what you eat... If you are in a caloric surplus, you are going to put on weight.

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