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Switch Close to Passing Sales of N64 (UPDATE: Now Passed!)

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OTBWY said:

You get yourself one of these and have a good time.

Looks like if the Gamecube and N64 had a baby out of a threesome with Pikachu

But looks very functional.



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
OTBWY said:

You get yourself one of these and have a good time.

Looks like if the Gamecube and N64 had a baby out of a threesome with Pikachu

But looks very functional.

I have a gold one. It's nice but it is small though. Theres also this awesome looking thing https://retrofighters.com/our-collection/brawler64-nextgen-n64-controller-colors/

I however don't know how they actually play. The stick is always an issue.




It's a milestone sure, but I don't know why there is so much love for the N64. It was Nintendo's worst selling console at the time and it marked when Nintendo lost the first place spot in the home console business. N64 didn't do terribly well from a business perspective, especially when compared to Nintendo's other systems at the time: NES, SNES and Gameboy.



Whenever I held the controller at the middle and right handle and a game rquired a L-Button input I used to slap it with my right palm. So satisfying.



Gameplay > Graphics

Substance > Style

Art Direction > Realism

CosmicSex said:
RolStoppable said:

Yes, we know that. We also know that you don't understand how sales curves work, because you predict an incredibly sharp drop-off for Switch after 2019, which results in Switch selling only ~17m units from January 2020 until the very end of its lifecycle.

So if the goal is to have a realistic conversation, then the first thing that needs to happen is acknowledgement on your part that your outdated lifetime sales prediction for Switch does not make any sense at the current date anymore.

While I understand how sales curves work, it is also my belief that Nintendo will end, of it's own free will, the Switch.  I believe the rumors that say that there is a new version on the horizon.  That is why I insinuated that if we really treat it as a Pro then it will change the nature of the conversation.  

I hold that the Switch, in its current incarnation, will top out at 65 to 70 million before that happens.  An informed response would simply to suggest that the new model will in fact be a pro numbers and then I could have reevaluated.   

It sounds like we need to have a more grounded conversation where we try to understand each others projections or predictions. 

PS4 Pro sales #'s haven't been separated from PS4's total.  Why would a Switch Pro be considered the end of liftetime Switch sales?  If we are counting "Pro" sales separately, then I don't think PS4 base model has passed PS3 sales yet.



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The_Liquid_Laser said:
It's a milestone sure, but I don't know why there is so much love for the N64. It was Nintendo's worst selling console at the time and it marked when Nintendo lost the first place spot in the home console business. N64 didn't do terribly well from a business perspective, especially when compared to Nintendo's other systems at the time: NES, SNES and Gameboy.

It was a profitable console and it was making enough money right with the Pokemon craze. So it did do well enough just not PS1 numbers. Also the system had some of the most influential and gamechaning titles then. Its influences can still be seen today.




OTBWY said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:
It's a milestone sure, but I don't know why there is so much love for the N64. It was Nintendo's worst selling console at the time and it marked when Nintendo lost the first place spot in the home console business. N64 didn't do terribly well from a business perspective, especially when compared to Nintendo's other systems at the time: NES, SNES and Gameboy.

It was a profitable console and it was making enough money right with the Pokemon craze. So it did do well enough just not PS1 numbers. Also the system had some of the most influential and gamechaning titles then. Its influences can still be seen today.

Yeah, but everything you just said can also be applied to the Wii U.  This description basically paints the N64 as a niche console with some very vocal fans.  If that is your assertion, then I can agree with that.  N64 is a lot like the Dreamcast or the Wii U.



Mandalore76 said:
CosmicSex said:

While I understand how sales curves work, it is also my belief that Nintendo will end, of it's own free will, the Switch.  I believe the rumors that say that there is a new version on the horizon.  That is why I insinuated that if we really treat it as a Pro then it will change the nature of the conversation.  

I hold that the Switch, in its current incarnation, will top out at 65 to 70 million before that happens.  An informed response would simply to suggest that the new model will in fact be a pro numbers and then I could have reevaluated.   

It sounds like we need to have a more grounded conversation where we try to understand each others projections or predictions. 

PS4 Pro sales #'s haven't been separated from PS4's total.  Why would a Switch Pro be considered the end of liftetime Switch sales?  If we are counting "Pro" sales separately, then I don't think PS4 base model has passed PS3 sales yet.

Possibly, but it wouldn't be too far off now either. I suspect PS4 Pro sales are around 7-10M by now (around a third of the PS4 consoles in the US right now are Pros, for instance), so if the base consoles haven't passed the bar yet, they will do so very soon.



The_Liquid_Laser said:
OTBWY said:

It was a profitable console and it was making enough money right with the Pokemon craze. So it did do well enough just not PS1 numbers. Also the system had some of the most influential and gamechaning titles then. Its influences can still be seen today.

Yeah, but everything you just said can also be applied to the Wii U.  This description basically paints the N64 as a niche console with some very vocal fans.  If that is your assertion, then I can agree with that.  N64 is a lot like the Dreamcast or the Wii U.

I would argue that the N64 has had much more of an impact than the Wii U ever will. At least on the software front. We got genre defining games with Super Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time. Without those games who knows how 3D Mario and Zelda would be today. That's not to mention that it started the Mario Party, Paper Mario, Banjo Kazooie and countless other game series regarded as classics. So I'd refrain from calling the N64 "niche". At least for me, it's impacts are still seen. 



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Mandalore76 said:

PS4 Pro sales #'s haven't been separated from PS4's total.  Why would a Switch Pro be considered the end of liftetime Switch sales?  If we are counting "Pro" sales separately, then I don't think PS4 base model has passed PS3 sales yet.

Possibly, but it wouldn't be too far off now either. I suspect PS4 Pro sales are around 7-10M by now (around a third of the PS4 consoles in the US right now are Pros, for instance), so if the base consoles haven't passed the bar yet, they will do so very soon.

Yeah, I don't disagree at all that will happen.  I was figuring around 10 million myself since Sony PR was stating 1 out of 5 PS4's sold have been the Pro model.  And they were keen to point out that was during supply constraints indicating the Pro ratio might be even better with greater supply. 

Anyway, my point was that it's odd for someone to say that if there was a release of a "Switch Pro", they wouldn't factor that model's sales into the lifetime sales of the Switch.  That hasn't been the case for the PS4 Pro, the Xbox One X, the New Nintendo 3DS, or any other same gen hardware revisions of other gaming platforms.