Okay where do I start with this one.. I wont let this drag on so ill try to keep it simple.

VR is a thing, but its not a big thing and a thing that interest me. If MS or Nintendo ripped out a VR head set ill be saying the exact same thing. So Valve making 3 VR games will be dismissed because I don't want to use VR or game on VR. I played PSVR and its a great casual thing but not something I want to dedicate my gaming to. I am sure there are many gamers out there who say the same thing. Unless Valve make an absolute VR masterpiece game I might consider it but its not something I want to do and that's fork out half a grand for an accessory for a couple games.. You even said you are not into VR atm. I don't give props to games I don't play. Ill give props to when I play them and atm those 3 VR games I wont be playing anytime soon, id rather play Borderlands 3 but oh well. I am not one to wait a year to play a game. I rather play a game when the Buzz is still there. 

What game will Epic make that everyone will play? Probably not a hard one to assume, Fortnite 2

I agree with you about the HL game, I don't want a rushed out game, I want a masterpiece and I am happy to wait another 10 years for. Not sure why you keep thinking I want a HL game right now with no effort. 

Yes it would be nice if Valve made new IPs and not continue the trend like Assassins Creed etc. The thing is they only gave us a Card Game.. That's what we waited years for. Cool there making 3 VR games but that's for the very small VR audience. Its like Sony making the next Killzone game on PS Vita. Its great there making it but how many gamers will actually go out and buy a Vita to play it?.

So because I haven't expressed myself on VGchartz on PC gaming a lot, that means I am not a PC gamer or someone that dedicates themselves to PC gaming? I have probably been gaming on PC a lot longer than you, I am not hiding my Steam account from anyone. Like I said, add me on Steam and the evidence is there. I have also put in 12,932 hours in World of Warcraft, which I am still playing to this very day. That's a little example of my time invested.

You and me are completely different when it comes to gaming. I don't boycott games if there not available to me. If the game is good enough I might jump in, I don't let a service stop me from having a good time. I got into Xbox because of Halo and only for Halo. You seem to hold a grudge against the game and will ignore it, but the only thing you are ignoring is the fun you would have with this game because its on a different launcher. Each to our own.

Big or small doesnt matter. What is important...

https://www.vg247.com/2019/03/20/metro-exodus-sales-launch-week-epic-games-store-ll/

It doesnt matter what sales might potentially could have been. The real initial sales numbers count and how it turns out beyond that. As it seems Epic can fulfil their end of the deal. Despite the backlash, EGS young age, the united youtuber front against Epic, Fortnite and whatnot.

To publishers and developers it is of interest what they gain in the long run. 

Sweeney doesn’t see it that way, and further explained how exclusive deals can help developers. “These exclusives don’t come to stores for free; they’re a result of some combination of marketing commitments, development funding, or revenue guarantees. This all helps developers,” he said.

https://www.vg247.com/2019/01/02/how-epic-games-store-exclusive-deals-happen/

"Marketing commitments, Revenue guarantee"

Why are Sekiro and Resident Evil 2R exclusive to Steam? It was the publishers choices but no one is screeching at them and making a scene. They felt it was the best option at the time, hoping for sufficient initial sales. Exactly what those who partner up with Epic feel like. A promising view on sales and revenue and a distribution platform with the goal to provide professional developers and publishers a stable, reliable market, a chance for more creative freedom and driving advanced game development forward.

I dont know if Epic will succeed, if they re on the right track. But its worth a shot, since Valve hasnt done anything for the betterment of trve PC gaming for the last 10ish years. Their doing was rather detrimental and they show no serious efforts of cleaning up their mess. I guess at this point it would be futile anyway. At this point Tabula Rasa is the way to go, and the EGS presents a good opportunity.

That still doesn't stop the fact that VR has a good number of users out there, not in the few thousand, but millions, maybe not casual billions, but if you consider casuals great for the industry, then I'd imagine you'd see the same with MT's and other practices that we're not too fond of.

I'll keep that in mind for when MS specially talk or boast about VR though. Nintendo not so much, since it's not your jam, and it's not much of Nintendo's either. 

Also, there are many out there who do like VR, so playing another by the numbers game seems rather pointless. 

"unless Valve make an absolute masterpiece game" so never then?. We'll go with never, since it's the easiest "future" predicted answer to give at this current time, based on what Valve hasn't been doing, because that makes it 100% easy to predict the near future. 

I give props to the fact that they are even making games, while Epic sit on their arse with their FN money, the same way we claim Steam is sitting on theirs with their Steam money. At least out of both parties, we've got a client with the most features, getting a store revamp, 3 new games, a reboot of a recent released game and a VR headset with controllers. I'll take the pros on this over the semi con, which has yet to produce meaningful benefits to me as a consumer (Can't forget them Reagan trickle down economics now can we).

So you're basically wanting more of the same, not anything new?. Also, Fornite 2 doesn't sound creative, what else could they add, that literally destroys literally everyone, blowing them away in a hail of nuclear dust?, because I'm sure as hell waiting for that insane level of creativity within something called "Fornite 2".

I don't think you do. I don't want another HL game, not until we get all those writers back. I want the original spark, not another 343 industries all over again, complete with "well we think the lore goes like this" bs excuses either. I also don't think you're willing to wait 10+ years, because you sure aren't happy at waiting right at this moment, "come on Valve, don't let Epic kick you up the arse/Valve deserves a hard kick, get them to make that HL3". You clearly want it as soon as, and not 10 years later. You want it rushed whatever the cost, otherwise you're going to have to take back that chanting from weeks ago, about how they ened to get that Hl3 out.

Yeah, they gave us Dota 2 before that as well...

Valve are still making games though, just not at the speed of the PLC companies (because they have an obligation to fulfill investor desires, hence rushed and shoddy looking "AAA" games each 1-2 years, instead of 5-7).

Funnily enough, the previous KZ didn't set the world on fire either, and that was on the console with the larger audience, so really, it's the ip at fault as well as the devs, not the user or the console itself. 

Please don't play such a petty game. Even Basil talks to us on the main thread, as well as Bofferbrauer2 and mZuzek. Those people actually do show up in the main thread and talk/ask questions/discuss about PC gaming, both hw and software. You just create your own threads about Steam being what it is/isn't and Epic threads. I don't see you making threads that talked about PC games before, like where were you when Two Point Hospital came out, or Frostpunk, Planet Coaster etc?. You had every chance to make and participate in topics on games like those, but you didn't. Instead you were heavily invested in the MS ones.

You can absolutely game on a PC or a toaster, but you can have and everyone absolutely does have core preferences that they follow. Even an Xbox fan like Colteastwood proudly admits he's an Xbox/MS fan first, "PC" gamer second, but at least he admits his core pref, rather than trying to hide and pretend to being some "neutral" fence sitter.

Mate, I've been gaming on PC for years. You playing the "older than you=more wisdom" approach is laughable, because you lack the clarity to see your flaws in what you say. Also, my profile is viewable by friends, just not randoms on Steam, because like it or not, I don't like having random plebs coming onto my profile and talking shit about what avatar I have or what I've got written in my bio. I'm not going back to the shitty days of X360, where people could shit talk you for kicking their ass in a game and sending you threats. Steam gave us that option to do so, to vilify or make it seem like a cowardly choice is childish at best. 

If you're putting so much time into these games, then why not talk about them more often?. Where are your WoW threads, that talk about the current events going on within the Alliance & Horde, or what Sylvanas has planned later on down the road?. You talk about these games for sure, but you don't talk about them where they can be seen by others, ie; within a main thread or creating your own to discuss them. I've been a fan of Planet Coaster and even I made a thread about that, same for other games I've liked and played before. 

We are different, but you're not really one who talks the talk, rather than doing the talk and the walk at the same time. You don't put value into things that many others do, such as modding and pro consumer practices. 

You look down on anything that isn't taken on by you, hence why you look down on the boycotting, but hey, it's easy to call it a boycott if you don't want to buy something, speaking your words or not, it's an easy claim to make.

Yeah, you don't let anything stop you from getting what's called a "fix". You don't really have anywhere close to the standards I have, and that's why you deem them "pointless", because they oppose your own (otherwise you wouldn't be tossing in the boycott and "service" remarks).

I've no grudge against Halo at all. I've disdain for MS, because they still wish to cling onto their console brand, giving them more attention over their original platform. They still do, no matter what jargon you can throw out. Until they literally drop their console side, they are still going to put more focus onto it, because that's how they want it and I'm absolutely fre to disagree with that and voice my say. I miss the old MS, the one that actually used to care about their original platform, not the MS of now. 

I still have my own fun though, just not in your way, and tbh, I'm glad I don't follow your way, because that'd be bad for me personally. Isn't going to stop me from opposing your view though. 

As far as I can see, he doesn't. 

Okay this is going off topic, not surprised either. this isn't about me and its none of your business what I game on. The topic is about Epic getting Borderlands 3 and Steam missing out on again. If you want to ask personal questions about me than message me directly. Only question I will answer is Yes I am a PC gamer first, and a Xbox gamer 2nd. Don't believe me, ill let my account activity do the talking. Enough said.

There are two types of supporters in the world. You have the Blind supporters who love there team no matter what, regardless how bad they preform and they will always stick up for them and say false positive things for them even when there shit.

Than you have the passionate supporters who say it like it is, those that will say there team sucks or under preforming and want action taken to be better like getting a new coach or players etc. You sound exactly like the first supporter because you don't care, Steam is perfect to you no matter what they do or lack. I am clearly the passionate supporter here, because I am saying it how it is. You continue to defend Steam no matter how wrong or miss managed they are. I am pushing Steam to be better and help support there customers by suppling games they want to play, EG: The Outer Worlds and Borderlands 3.

Competition is out there and its growing, Epic, MS and many others are not breaking the rules by buying timed exclusivity or in MS's case, god forbid them for supporting there own store front with there own exclusives eg: Age of Empires Remastered.

You always argue that Steam is a better service, which I agree with currently, however! you have this false sense of belief that the other launchers wont improve and will remain basic throughout there life time and ignore the fact all there services have road maps to improve. Now this is where my passion for Steam kicks in. They have done nothing to counter Epics bargaining with developers, they haven't even decided to match Epics 12% for Devs. Now for someone like me who owns all the Borderland games on Steam, I want to also play the 3rd game on Steam, but I am not happy to wait 6 to 12 months like you are. I will go elsewhere because its also coming out on my 2nd preferred platform which is Xbox/Win10. However I am still a disappointed supporter because I would rather buy this on Steam and not wait next year when the game is obsolete and next gen is around the corner. 

Now this is the important part I want you to read carefully. If you think Steam is doing a great job and you are happy with how they are managing there service, than good for you.. however! don't complain when competition do these things, because right now you have Epic and others being hungry Tigers wanting to eat up the competition and break up the PC monopoly while Steam is that fat lion sitting on top of there throne being valuable and doing nothing. You might be happy to wait 6 to 12 months every time a upcoming game comes out but I am not happy with that. I want Steam to continue to dominate and once gamers have accounts made on other services like Epic it only becomes harder to bring gamers back because by than they wont care where they buy there games from because they already have accounts and will just buy the game where they see fit.

Or you understand jackshit. The problem with most casual consumer gamers of today.

1) Where does it say that I said there not moneyhatting or buying exclusives when it clearly stats what I said in my post and even you highlighted it? I said there not breaking any rules by doing so. That's not a very good start to this convo when your first sentence doesn't add up. Gulp.. Ill continue.

2) Steam doesn't have to outbid a money hat, maybe they should start moneyhatting themselves? Play it smart rather than not play it at all. And watch these games disappear.

3) Its a big inconvenience for some, like I said ill get it on Xbox now since Steam doesn't have the game until next year. Its not the end of the world. I just rather game on Steam.

4) If you like waiting 6 to 12months for highly anticipated games than more power to you. I don't like waiting hence my answer to No: 3.

5) Steam has held the PC monopoly for years, and Billion dollar corporations are starting to not place nice to win that market. As digital continues to grow, the bigger and meaner the competition is becoming. That's pretty obvious to see that.

6) Don't stress, I have plenty of options. I don't like waiting around for a game when I have plenty coming out. I wont be playing Borderlands 3 in 2020 I can tell you that.

7) I complain about Steam because they have given there long term supporters very little over the past years. Steam Box? Yeah okay. As a consumer, when you dedicate your hard earn money to a company you would also like to see that company invest more into there business that benefits there eco-system and customers. Instead we just hear how much Steam is earning with little return. They take but not give compared to there competition at this stage.

Steam got into the market with no competition and they have strived off that model for decades. Now they have some big fish entering the sea, TenCent being the main one here. They wont stop buying exclusives, they will do that until they gain enough ground. Instead of Steam countering there competition, it feels like there watching there competition grow and turn the PC market space into a 2 to 3 launcher system now. Valve are not a poor company, they have the leverage with customers and support, however how long do you think they can hold that mantle for? 

You can continue to be a blind supporter, but I will continue to be a passionate supporter here and say it how it is.

Wow, you are on fire with your first post. 2 in a row now. 

Again where does it say in my post where I said there not moneyhatting? I am still waiting for that answer. 

And now I am a Blind EGS supporter? Interesting.. You are digging yourself a hole here. I don't own 1 game on EGS but nice try.

You say you are a consumer yet you are happy to boycott other brands like MS, sounds like you have a bias attitude right there.. how does that work? You also say you are happy to buy a game off EGS who as you said is monopolising the industry and offer DRM etc.. interesting choice there. Says a lot about you actually.

I game on Steam for the games not the features, I could care less of Steams features, I never did 14 years ago and I still don't now. Features are useless unless you have the games to play them on. I hope those features are worth waiting 6 to 12months on the Borderlands 3. Id rather just play Borderlands 3 at launch.

Oh please tell me what that word that starts with M is? I actually have no idea. 

Oh please, you were so quick to jump on my post and say I had a brain fart and claiming I said EGS isn't moneyhatting.. I am calling you out on that one. I want you to show me and everyone in this thread that are still reading this convo (poor souls).

How does something lose your interests? I mean did they touch you in your sleep or something? How did you know Halo MCC was coming to Steam 3 years ago when it was announced? I guess you didn't need a Xbox because you had this foresight that it was coming. Is that how you base your decisions.. on hoping they will come? Halo 3 hasn't been on PC ever.. you have good patients that's for sure.

What do people say about me on VGCs? Who is everyone? you are going to need to get into more detail here because this is going no where and like usual going of course. I game on Steam, I use Steam as a game library platform and its simplicity of a digital library. Anything else is not important to me. As long as I can play the games. Its not a hard method to grasp. But it seems to some it is. 

Your insults don't bother me, you can say what you wish about me. I honestly couldn't care less. Look me up on Steam and say Hi ;)

PCs for years strived to emulate all that consoles had to offer and now in 2019 it's possible to emulate console wars and an allegiance to a company's online game store all on pc hardware. We truly have reached the future of gaming!