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Natural changes in temperature, sea levels are natural climate changes that humans are not responsible for.
The sun naturally goes through heating and cooling phases that has a direct impact upon climate change.
There have been 2 Ice Ages during the last 25,000 years and the last one was 15,000 years ago.
Humans have not been responsible for the Ice Ages nor will we be responsible for the next Ice Age.
Climate change science is not clear cut, the claims about the world's temperature heating over the last 100 years are inaccurate and are based on incomplete data.
The graphs and modelling have been doctored by propagandists to support the climate change contributes to global warming rhetoric.
Humans have minimal effect upon climate change, and humans contribute minimally towards carbon emissions.
Carbon emissions have minimal effect upon climate change, carbon dioxide is harmless and it is used by plants/trees and converted into oxygen through photosynthesis.



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CaptainExplosion said:
RolStoppable said:
It's inconsequential, because by the time it's getting really, really serious, our generation will likely be dead already. Therefore it's of no concern to us.

Wow, how selfless of you. Would you smoke if you were pregnant too? Because your logic seems to say "Eh, the baby will be dead soon so I'll just make another.".

It's that kind of thinking that has lead to much of the natural world being destroyed, sea levels rising (just ask NASA), the extinction of rare species, oil spills and smog.

The next generation shouldn't suffer for how badly this generation has fucked up the planet.

"Wow, how selfless of you"

you understand of course that playing video games, using your computer to browse forums etc etc etc all lead to global warming?

do you have a gas car too btw?



Dark_Lord_2008 said:

Natural changes in temperature, sea levels are natural climate changes that humans are not responsible for.

No one is saying anything to the contrary. They are "natural events". - What we are concerned about is the human influences upon those that are accelerating such unprecedented shifts in climate change.

Remember, only a few posts ago you were denying climate change in it's entirety.

Dark_Lord_2008 said:

The sun naturally goes through heating and cooling phases that has a direct impact upon climate change.

No one is saying anything to the contrary.
The key word you are using is "Natural".

Dark_Lord_2008 said:

There have been 2 Ice Ages during the last 25,000 years and the last one was 15,000 years ago.

No one is saying anything to the contrary. Nor does it negate the fact that current climates are being affected by man.

Dark_Lord_2008 said:

Humans have not been responsible for the Ice Ages nor will we be responsible for the next Ice Age.

No one is saying anything to the contrary. The world wasn't exactly industrialized during the last ice age.

Dark_Lord_2008 said:

Climate change science is not clear cut, the claims about the world's temperature heating over the last 100 years are inaccurate and are based on incomplete data.

Climate change science is certainly clear cut.
We can take the current historical trends of cooling/heating and build a model to depict how much of the current (and accelerating) rate of climate change is human caused.
It's not overly difficult.

The data is certainly complete.

I even provided evidence prior. Read it and learn a few things.
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8993814

Dark_Lord_2008 said:

The graphs and modelling have been doctored by propagandists to support the climate change contributes to global warming rhetoric.

Don't propagate fake information. Provide a source for your outlandish claims.

Dark_Lord_2008 said:

Humans have minimal effect upon climate change, and humans contribute minimally towards carbon emissions.
Carbon emissions have minimal effect upon climate change, carbon dioxide is harmless and it is used by plants/trees and converted into oxygen through photosynthesis.

That isn't what the evidence suggests.

Carbon Dioxide is harmful. There is a reason why I have to wear a breathing apparatus frequently for my job! Don't propagate fake information.



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kirby007 said:

...in the bigger picture of whats going to kill us.

Forget about the financial crisis and the uncertain economic market. 

There is a bigger problem on the horizon its called Peak Oil.

In short a slowdown in the supply of oil production and the depopulation of the world's population will follow shortly after. 

1kJ of Food Production requires 8kJ of energy to produce.

Most of the energy is given off as heat in the production of food.

Source of most energy is oil. No real alternative to oil. Oil prices are rising because the oil supply has reached its peak.

A slowdown due to less oil in the food production will starve the population and the food prices will go up even further. 

The starvation and freezing of the population will occur eventually and over time the population will go down and those left behind will end up in ww3 over the remaing foodsupplies.

Do you see this scenario happening?

Like everything else we will get our food from China where they are smart enough to aggressively invest in renewable energy.  For them, it is obviously necessary because the sheer size of their population simply demands a solution not tied to fossil fuels. 

This is why I supported the idea of a Green New Deal.  Besides simply climate reasons, the energy markets of the future will put our current ones out of business (as they should) but if we aren't their to capitalize on the new market we will be losing another industry to China. 

We have to be at the forefront of this tech.  Emerging countries will rely on this tech and right now it looks like China will become the new OPEC



Ok, so with energy prices increasing due to both environmental lobbyists and the limited supply of fossil fuels where the burning of fossil fuels emits carbon dioxide into the Earth's atmosphere creating the greenhouse effect where the Sun's heat gets trapped within the Earth's atmosphere. There is now greenhouse gas emission restrictions in place to try and minimise the impact of global warming. Hopefully the USA the leading cause of the greenhouse effect acts to help reduce the greenhouse effect and slow down the melting of the Polar ice caps and stop Greenland from melting away.

By the end of this century with all the ice around the polars melted away and Greenland gone, sea levels are expected to rise by around about 1 meter. This would result in many captal cities and some countries wiped off the map. 



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Under Trunp, yeah, probably not. If however a democrat would get elected and also gain the majority in the Senate, I'm fairly sure they would roll back everything Trump did in that regard, and, depending on who gets elected, even expand them considerably. But that's a story for another time after the elections.



kirby007 said:
Ok, so with energy prices increasing due to both environmental lobbyists and the limited supply of fossil fuels where the burning of fossil fuels emits carbon dioxide into the Earth's atmosphere creating the greenhouse effect where the Sun's heat gets trapped within the Earth's atmosphere. There is now greenhouse gas emission restrictions in place to try and minimise the impact of global warming. Hopefully the USA the leading cause of the greenhouse effect acts to help reduce the greenhouse effect and slow down the melting of the Polar ice caps and stop Greenland from melting away.

By the end of this century with all the ice around the polars melted away and Greenland gone, sea levels are expected to rise by around about 1 meter. This would result in many captal cities and some countries wiped off the map. 

If all the ice on the north and Antarctica would melt the sealevel is expected to rise with over 70 meters. This is including the thermal expansion of the ocean water, which will occur by the higher global temperature to make that happen. That's enough to wipe some small nations of the earth like The Netherlands. 



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Qwark said:
kirby007 said:
Ok, so with energy prices increasing due to both environmental lobbyists and the limited supply of fossil fuels where the burning of fossil fuels emits carbon dioxide into the Earth's atmosphere creating the greenhouse effect where the Sun's heat gets trapped within the Earth's atmosphere. There is now greenhouse gas emission restrictions in place to try and minimise the impact of global warming. Hopefully the USA the leading cause of the greenhouse effect acts to help reduce the greenhouse effect and slow down the melting of the Polar ice caps and stop Greenland from melting away.

By the end of this century with all the ice around the polars melted away and Greenland gone, sea levels are expected to rise by around about 1 meter. This would result in many captal cities and some countries wiped off the map. 

If all the ice on the north and Antarctica would melt the sealevel is expected to rise with over 70 meters. This is including the thermal expansion of the ocean water, which will occur by the higher global temperature to make that happen. That's enough to wipe some small nations of the earth like The Netherlands. 

Sounds good, can't stand them anyway. I'm gonna chop down some more trees this spring.



CaptainExplosion said:

I'd get an electric car if possible, and I unplug my laptop when it says it's charged. There's also a solar farm in my area, but I don't know whether or not any of the energy collected there goes to my neighborhood.

Build yourself an ebike instead?

Cheap, avoid traffic, clean and speedy.

I am on wind power here... (One of the windiest places in the world, you would hope so!) But the Baseload is provided by a Solar Thermal Plant half way across the state.
They are currently building a Hydrogen plant as well, which will be used to capture excess wind energy to create hydrogen for power generation when the wind isn't blowing. - Excess hydrogen will be exported to other hydrogen plants around the state too. - Should make things interesting in the event of an accident, haven't had to deal with Hydrogen before.

CaptainExplosion said:

Not to mention having to cut down on all the smog in China. Is it still so bad there that people have to stop on the street to use oxygen tanks?

China is actually improving on this front, they are rolling out green energy wherever practical.
..Not only that, but they are building a giant green wall to stop desertification.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-North_Shelter_Forest_Program

TLDR:
* They started this project in the 70's and it will be completed around 2050. (About 60~ years)
* 4,500km/2,800 miles long. - That's longer than the width of the USA.

It does have a ton of caveats though, they lost a large % of planted trees in 2008 and ground water can be impacted.
Interesting to see how things look in a decade or two.

Qwark said:

If all the ice on the north and Antarctica would melt the sealevel is expected to rise with over 70 meters. This is including the thermal expansion of the ocean water, which will occur by the higher global temperature to make that happen. That's enough to wipe some small nations of the earth like The Netherlands. 

Not to mention the oceans are absorbing CO2 at an astonishing rate... Meaning our oceans are becoming more acidic.
https://coastadapt.com.au/ocean-acidification-and-its-effects

But as the Oceans warm... They will also release allot of that CO2... Which is going to add significantly to the global warming issue... Which will also mean more thermal expansion.



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