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SpokenTruth said:
Immersiveunreality said:

But mechanical objects are not the only things to have a frequency,objects in space for example our sun also has it so if that same behaviour can be copied then it might have possible interesting effects on objects in space IF the theory of dark matter proves valid(and that would be a medium like earths air).

But again too much research needed to make this option valid but still interesting to think about .

Your quote is literally taken from the injection locking page on Wikipedia which is about harmonic oscillations.  That is vibrations which require a medium to travel through. 

Yes, the sun also oscillates.  The study of which is known as helioseismology. But again, those sound waves do not propagate beyond its atmosphere.

If dark matter is a possibility then the suns helioseismology could go beyond the atmosphere and connect through it.



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Immersiveunreality said:
SpokenTruth said:

Your quote is literally taken from the injection locking page on Wikipedia which is about harmonic oscillations.  That is vibrations which require a medium to travel through. 

Yes, the sun also oscillates.  The study of which is known as helioseismology. But again, those sound waves do not propagate beyond its atmosphere.

If dark matter is a possibility then the suns helioseismology could go beyond the atmosphere and connect through it.

Dark matter does not appear to interact with baryonic based particles so no sound energy could be transferred onto it.



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This whole thread reminds me of the portrayal of Sokrates in Assassin's Creed Odyssey.



SvennoJ said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Mildly related to the bolded: I wonder if an object in space can have an so powerfull frequency that something can be pulled towards it in the same way as a magnetic pull.

I'm not sure what you mean by frequency attracting things?

Magnets can be used to launch ship. Instead of pulling, can you push with a powerful frequency?

Then you would need to move that magnet behind the ship to pull that off. Otherwise, if just doing it by one initial push, it would need so massive that the ship would simply break apart from the force.

Same reason why we can't just build a giant gun and shoot satellites into orbit; in fact the acceleration from that would be far gentler than being pushed by a magnet, having all the cannon's length to accelerate instead if an almost instantaneous push. The Space gun had been tried btw, but was deemed too impractical (it needed a 16 inches/41cm capital ship gun extended to a whooping 100 caliber length, meaning a 41m long barrel, just to give a shell suborbital flight - and still only reached on quarter of escape velocity) and thus the project was canned. Irak under Saddam tried it years later too, but that got destroyed in Desert Storm.

So the only practical way is to pull the ship along a magnetic rail, essentially turning the whole thing into a gigantic, curved Railgun or a Mass Driver. Would be pretty effective for launches from the Moon or other low gravity objects, but less so from earth as the rail would be unpractically large and high just to achieve LEO.

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SpokenTruth said:
Immersiveunreality said:

If dark matter is a possibility then the suns helioseismology could go beyond the atmosphere and connect through it.

Dark matter does not appear to interact with baryonic based particles so no sound energy could be transferred onto it.

Indeed, currently it does not appear it does but its not a solid conclusion to say no sound energy could be transferred onto it and theres so little known of its existance

It stays a broken/vague theory atm the moment yes but that how a lot of things have started ;)



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If extraterrestrial intelligent life exist and if they can travel between the stars; why would they talk to us earthlings? We don't stop to have a conversation with a caterpillar. I'm just sayin, the reason we haven't communicated with aliens yet is because we're not smart enough and civilized yet.



deskpro2k3 said:
If extraterrestrial intelligent life exist and if they can travel between the stars; why would they talk to us earthlings? We don't stop to have a conversation with a caterpillar. I'm just sayin, the reason we haven't communicated with aliens yet is because we're not smart enough and civilized yet.

While not having any intelligent extraterrestrial Lifeforms is mathematically improbable, such perfectly livable planets like Earth are still pretty rare.

Also, wouldn't you in their position be curious to know what we had to offer, even if we where millennia behind in development?



Immersiveunreality said:
SpokenTruth said:

Dark matter does not appear to interact with baryonic based particles so no sound energy could be transferred onto it.

Indeed, currently it does not appear it does but its not a solid conclusion to say no sound energy could be transferred onto it and theres so little known of its existance

It stays a broken/vague theory atm the moment yes but that how a lot of things have started ;)

But for sound to be transferable it would have to interact with baryonic particles.  Sound is the vibration of baryonic particles though a medium.  It's a motion of energy that requires interaction between successive particles. If that energy reaches a point where it can no longer interact with nearby particles, it ceases to propagate.  And because dark matter does not interact with baryonic particles, sound cannot propagate through it.



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SpokenTruth said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Indeed, currently it does not appear it does but its not a solid conclusion to say no sound energy could be transferred onto it and theres so little known of its existance

It stays a broken/vague theory atm the moment yes but that how a lot of things have started ;)

But for sound to be transferable it would have to interact with baryonic particles.  Sound is the vibration of baryonic particles though a medium.  It's a motion of energy that requires interaction between successive particles. If that energy reaches a point where it can no longer interact with nearby particles, it ceases to propagate.  And because dark matter does not interact with baryonic particles, sound cannot propagate through it.

Sorry to still go further on this but can't radio waves be a possibility to connect with frequencies of objects and other sources that emits them?



Immersiveunreality said:
SpokenTruth said:

But for sound to be transferable it would have to interact with baryonic particles.  Sound is the vibration of baryonic particles though a medium.  It's a motion of energy that requires interaction between successive particles. If that energy reaches a point where it can no longer interact with nearby particles, it ceases to propagate.  And because dark matter does not interact with baryonic particles, sound cannot propagate through it.

Sorry to still go further on this but can't radio waves be a possibility to connect with frequencies of objects and other sources that emits them?

You can convert sound to electromagnetism but it's not a natural process and has an exceptionally low energy conservation ratio. First you convert sound to electrical energy and then convert it to electromagnetic energy (radio waves).  You have to interject a lot of energy back onto the radio wave to be viable communication.

That said, electromagnetism does not need a medium to travel through.  Photons, the particle from electromagnetic radiation, can travel through a complete vacuum.  In fact, they travel best through a vacuum.  But that still doesn't help because dark matter does not interact with the electromagnetic spectrum at all.



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