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SpokenTruth said:
Immersiveunreality said:

I do not know :p

"the frequency effects that can occur when a harmonic oscilator is disturbed by a second oscillator operating at a nearby frequency. When the coupling is strong enough and the frequencies near enough, the second oscillator can capture the first oscillator, causing it to have essentially identical frequency as the second. This is injection locking. When the second oscillator merely disturbs the first but does not capture it, the effect is called injection pulling. Injection locking and pulling effects are observed in numerous types of physical systems"

If this effect can ever be used to pull 2 objects near eachother(when strong enough?) then might that same behaviour be possible on objects in space cause those also have frequencies?

This is a very dreamy speculation and it should be called a question to be factual but it is just interesting to think about.

What medium would the oscillating frequencies move through?  Space is a vacuum.

The theory of dark matter would come in handy here,ofcourse it is still a theory but there is full on research on it for years and it would be the missing force of nature that connects everything with mass.

Vacuum should be unlogical to use cause nothingness should not be able to be perceived.



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Immersiveunreality said:
SvennoJ said:

I'm not sure what you mean by frequency attracting things?

Magnets can be used to launch ship. Instead of pulling, can you push with a powerful frequency?

I do not know :p

"the frequency effects that can occur when a harmonic oscilator is disturbed by a second oscillator operating at a nearby frequency. When the coupling is strong enough and the frequencies near enough, the second oscillator can capture the first oscillator, causing it to have essentially identical frequency as the second. This is injection locking. When the second oscillator merely disturbs the first but does not capture it, the effect is called injection pulling. Injection locking and pulling effects are observed in numerous types of physical systems"

If this effect can ever be used to pull 2 objects near eachother(when strong enough?) then might that same behaviour be possible on objects in space cause those also have frequencies?

This is a very dreamy speculation and it should be called a question to be factual but it is just interesting to think about.

Interesting.

Perhaps one day we'll understand how gravity (waves) work and figure out a way to generate them. Make the whole ship 'fall' to where you want it to go, or a whole planet or star would be a good way to travel.



SpokenTruth said:
Immersiveunreality said:

The theory of dark matter would come in handy here,ofcourse it is still a theory but there is full on research on it for years and it would be the missing force of nature that connects everything with mass.

Vacuum should be unlogical to use cause nothingness should not be able to be perceived.

I mean how would mechanical oscillations propagate in space? They need a medium to travel through. On Earth, that medium is air. 

But mechanical objects are not the only things to have a frequency,objects in space for example our sun also has it so if that same behaviour can be copied then it might have possible interesting effects on objects in space IF the theory of dark matter proves valid(and that would be a medium like earths air).

But again too much research needed to make this option valid but still interesting to think about .



Immersiveunreality said:

But mechanical objects are not the only things to have a frequency,objects in space for example our sun also has it so if that same behaviour can be copied then it might have possible interesting effects on objects in space IF the theory of dark matter proves valid(and that would be a medium like earths air).

But again too much research needed to make this option valid but still interesting to think about .

I wonder, since the best way to travel is to take a whole solar system along, whether hyper velocity stars could be a suggestion of intelligence meddling with things.
https://www.space.com/28737-fastest-star-galaxy-strange-origin.html
Reading that, finding such a binary system and eliminating its gravitational tether is kind of a brilliant way to travel outside the galaxy. Hitch a ride on a star.



SpokenTruth said:
Immersiveunreality said:

But mechanical objects are not the only things to have a frequency,objects in space for example our sun also has it so if that same behaviour can be copied then it might have possible interesting effects on objects in space IF the theory of dark matter proves valid(and that would be a medium like earths air).

But again too much research needed to make this option valid but still interesting to think about .

Your quote is literally taken from the injection locking page on Wikipedia which is about harmonic oscillations.  That is vibrations which require a medium to travel through. 

Yes, the sun also oscillates.  The study of which is known as helioseismology. But again, those sound waves do not propagate beyond its atmosphere.

If dark matter is a possibility then the suns helioseismology could go beyond the atmosphere and connect through it.



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This whole thread reminds me of the portrayal of Sokrates in Assassin's Creed Odyssey.



SvennoJ said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Mildly related to the bolded: I wonder if an object in space can have an so powerfull frequency that something can be pulled towards it in the same way as a magnetic pull.

I'm not sure what you mean by frequency attracting things?

Magnets can be used to launch ship. Instead of pulling, can you push with a powerful frequency?

Then you would need to move that magnet behind the ship to pull that off. Otherwise, if just doing it by one initial push, it would need so massive that the ship would simply break apart from the force.

Same reason why we can't just build a giant gun and shoot satellites into orbit; in fact the acceleration from that would be far gentler than being pushed by a magnet, having all the cannon's length to accelerate instead if an almost instantaneous push. The Space gun had been tried btw, but was deemed too impractical (it needed a 16 inches/41cm capital ship gun extended to a whooping 100 caliber length, meaning a 41m long barrel, just to give a shell suborbital flight - and still only reached on quarter of escape velocity) and thus the project was canned. Irak under Saddam tried it years later too, but that got destroyed in Desert Storm.

So the only practical way is to pull the ship along a magnetic rail, essentially turning the whole thing into a gigantic, curved Railgun or a Mass Driver. Would be pretty effective for launches from the Moon or other low gravity objects, but less so from earth as the rail would be unpractically large and high just to achieve LEO.

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SpokenTruth said:
Immersiveunreality said:

If dark matter is a possibility then the suns helioseismology could go beyond the atmosphere and connect through it.

Dark matter does not appear to interact with baryonic based particles so no sound energy could be transferred onto it.

Indeed, currently it does not appear it does but its not a solid conclusion to say no sound energy could be transferred onto it and theres so little known of its existance

It stays a broken/vague theory atm the moment yes but that how a lot of things have started ;)



If extraterrestrial intelligent life exist and if they can travel between the stars; why would they talk to us earthlings? We don't stop to have a conversation with a caterpillar. I'm just sayin, the reason we haven't communicated with aliens yet is because we're not smart enough and civilized yet.



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deskpro2k3 said:
If extraterrestrial intelligent life exist and if they can travel between the stars; why would they talk to us earthlings? We don't stop to have a conversation with a caterpillar. I'm just sayin, the reason we haven't communicated with aliens yet is because we're not smart enough and civilized yet.

While not having any intelligent extraterrestrial Lifeforms is mathematically improbable, such perfectly livable planets like Earth are still pretty rare.

Also, wouldn't you in their position be curious to know what we had to offer, even if we where millennia behind in development?