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EricHiggin on 28 March 2019
Immersiveunreality said:
SvennoJ said:

If we're still stuck in out own little solar system in 1 billion years then we don't deserve to colonize the universe. Interstellar flight should be possible within another thousand years.

However if the speed of light can't be broken in any possible way, an interstellar society will simply be impossible. The universe might already have small islands of disconnected colonies spread out in time. When messages take years to travel between stars with any supplies or traffic taking a multiple of that and even more due to relativistic effects, what kind of interstellar society can you build.

Suppose any messages between America and Europe would take 10 years to arrive, while any ships take a hundred years to arrive. The two would simply grow apart as if the other doesn't really exist.

Does not need to be broken we only need to get near it.

Closest star is 4.24 lightyears away from earth and 4.37 from our own star called the sun so it would at the fastest rate mean we need to travel for 4.24 years but that speed is highly unlikely when we are capable to come close to the speed of light.

Breaking the speed of light could mean we would have to be able to create portals or fissure's into time and space (like the theories of wormholes) to be able moving mass at an almost unthinkable rate atm.

Quantum entanglement or something like it will probably be the answer. You take a pair of entangled particles, put one of them on one side of the planet, and put the other on the opposite side of the planet. You monitor both using identical methods. You change the state of one particle on one side of the planet, and the other on the opposite side of the planet changes instantaneously as well. Based on what is known as of now, there is no distance at which should cause a delay. Meaning you could have communication systems based on quantum entanglement and you could instantly communicate across space, galaxy to galaxy, with no delay whatsoever. The speed of light would be a joke in comparison.



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SvennoJ on 28 March 2019
Immersiveunreality said:
SvennoJ said:

If we're still stuck in out own little solar system in 1 billion years then we don't deserve to colonize the universe. Interstellar flight should be possible within another thousand years.

However if the speed of light can't be broken in any possible way, an interstellar society will simply be impossible. The universe might already have small islands of disconnected colonies spread out in time. When messages take years to travel between stars with any supplies or traffic taking a multiple of that and even more due to relativistic effects, what kind of interstellar society can you build.

Suppose any messages between America and Europe would take 10 years to arrive, while any ships take a hundred years to arrive. The two would simply grow apart as if the other doesn't really exist.

Does not need to be broken we only need to get near it.

Closest star is 4.24 lightyears away from earth and 4.37 from our own star called the sun so it would at the fastest rate mean we need to travel for 4.24 years but that speed is highly unlikely when we are capable to come close to the speed of light.

Breaking the speed of light could mean we would have to be able to create portals or fissure's into time and space (like the theories of wormholes) to be able moving mass at an almost unthinkable rate atm.

My point was more, what kind of society do you get when it takes 4.24 years for a simple message to be transmitted to the next system. You actually travel for less if I understand time dilation correctly. For observers it takes you 4.24 years. At the speed of light you are there instantaneously (in your own reference) so the journey would appear much shorter to you. Still that large amount of time will have passed on either side, it's just your observation of time and distance that chances.

EricHiggin said:

Quantum entanglement or something like it will probably be the answer. You take a pair of entangled particles, put one of them on one side of the planet, and put the other on the opposite side of the planet. You monitor both using identical methods. You change the state of one particle on one side of the planet, and the other on the opposite side of the planet changes instantaneously as well. Based on what is known as of now, there is no distance at which should cause a delay. Meaning you could have communication systems based on quantum entanglement and you could instantly communicate across space, galaxy to galaxy, with no delay whatsoever. The speed of light would be a joke in comparison.

You first need to bring the entangled particles to the destination, but theoretically it could work. Then all we need is transporters or stargates. No need for generation ships or cryo chambers, simply send one with a stargate onboard. It's just informtation you can transmit ofcourse, any raw materials need to still be hauled back physically.

Let's get quantum entangled internet on Earth first, away with the lag.



HoloDust on 28 March 2019

If we're ever to reach stars, the most probable solution is some sort of warp drive. We're really nowhere near it, but with ideas like Alcubierre drive (and refinement of it), it just might happen one day.



EricHiggin on 29 March 2019
SvennoJ said:
EricHiggin said:

Quantum entanglement or something like it will probably be the answer. You take a pair of entangled particles, put one of them on one side of the planet, and put the other on the opposite side of the planet. You monitor both using identical methods. You change the state of one particle on one side of the planet, and the other on the opposite side of the planet changes instantaneously as well. Based on what is known as of now, there is no distance at which should cause a delay. Meaning you could have communication systems based on quantum entanglement and you could instantly communicate across space, galaxy to galaxy, with no delay whatsoever. The speed of light would be a joke in comparison.

You first need to bring the entangled particles to the destination, but theoretically it could work. Then all we need is transporters or stargates. No need for generation ships or cryo chambers, simply send one with a stargate onboard. It's just informtation you can transmit ofcourse, any raw materials need to still be hauled back physically.

Let's get quantum entangled internet on Earth first, away with the lag.

True. Steps would need to be taken before quantum entanglement could be put to use in that sense, and yes, lag free internet well before that.



BlackBeauty on 29 March 2019

There are no aliens because we are all living in a simulation.

If we can’t break through that. We won’t find anything alive outside earth.



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m0ney on 29 March 2019
BlackBeauty said:
There are no aliens because we are all living in a simulation.

If we can’t break through that. We won’t find anything alive outside earth.



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Bofferbrauer2 on 29 March 2019
BlackBeauty said:
There are no aliens because we are all living in a simulation.

If we can’t break through that. We won’t find anything alive outside earth.



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Immersiveunreality on 29 March 2019
SvennoJ said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Does not need to be broken we only need to get near it.

Closest star is 4.24 lightyears away from earth and 4.37 from our own star called the sun so it would at the fastest rate mean we need to travel for 4.24 years but that speed is highly unlikely when we are capable to come close to the speed of light.

Breaking the speed of light could mean we would have to be able to create portals or fissure's into time and space (like the theories of wormholes) to be able moving mass at an almost unthinkable rate atm.

My point was more, what kind of society do you get when it takes 4.24 years for a simple message to be transmitted to the next system. You actually travel for less if I understand time dilation correctly. For observers it takes you 4.24 years. At the speed of light you are there instantaneously (in your own reference) so the journey would appear much shorter to you. Still that large amount of time will have passed on either side, it's just your observation of time and distance that chances.

EricHiggin said:

Quantum entanglement or something like it will probably be the answer. You take a pair of entangled particles, put one of them on one side of the planet, and put the other on the opposite side of the planet. You monitor both using identical methods. You change the state of one particle on one side of the planet, and the other on the opposite side of the planet changes instantaneously as well. Based on what is known as of now, there is no distance at which should cause a delay. Meaning you could have communication systems based on quantum entanglement and you could instantly communicate across space, galaxy to galaxy, with no delay whatsoever. The speed of light would be a joke in comparison.

You first need to bring the entangled particles to the destination, but theoretically it could work. Then all we need is transporters or stargates. No need for generation ships or cryo chambers, simply send one with a stargate onboard. It's just informtation you can transmit ofcourse, any raw materials need to still be hauled back physically.

Let's get quantum entangled internet on Earth first, away with the lag.

Mildly related to the bolded: I wonder if an object in space can have an so powerfull frequency that something can be pulled towards it in the same way as a magnetic pull.



SvennoJ on 29 March 2019
Immersiveunreality said:

Mildly related to the bolded: I wonder if an object in space can have an so powerfull frequency that something can be pulled towards it in the same way as a magnetic pull.

I'm not sure what you mean by frequency attracting things?

Magnets can be used to launch ship. Instead of pulling, can you push with a powerful frequency?



Immersiveunreality on 29 March 2019
SvennoJ said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Mildly related to the bolded: I wonder if an object in space can have an so powerfull frequency that something can be pulled towards it in the same way as a magnetic pull.

I'm not sure what you mean by frequency attracting things?

Magnets can be used to launch ship. Instead of pulling, can you push with a powerful frequency?

I do not know :p

"the frequency effects that can occur when a harmonic oscilator is disturbed by a second oscillator operating at a nearby frequency. When the coupling is strong enough and the frequencies near enough, the second oscillator can capture the first oscillator, causing it to have essentially identical frequency as the second. This is injection locking. When the second oscillator merely disturbs the first but does not capture it, the effect is called injection pulling. Injection locking and pulling effects are observed in numerous types of physical systems"

If this effect can ever be used to pull 2 objects near eachother(when strong enough?) then might that same behaviour be possible on objects in space cause those also have frequencies?

This is a very dreamy speculation and it should be called a question to be factual but it is just interesting to think about.