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Are Humans 'Intelligent'

Yes 9 32.14%
 
We can only define intelligence based on us 11 39.29%
 
Absolutely Not 4 14.29%
 
Other (Post) 3 10.71%
 
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I'd say we are intelligent life. Well, not very.



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SvennoJ said:
CuCabeludo said:

Not really, earth is set to be unable to support life between 1 and 2 billion years from now when the sun starts it's death phase by slowly becoming hotter and bigger, and eventually it explodes into a supernova in 3.5-4 billion years according to scientific estimates.

Water will no longer be able to exist in liqud state 1 billion years from now therefore earth won't be able to support life, it will be a lot hotter.

If we're still stuck in out own little solar system in 1 billion years then we don't deserve to colonize the universe. Interstellar flight should be possible within another thousand years.

However if the speed of light can't be broken in any possible way, an interstellar society will simply be impossible. The universe might already have small islands of disconnected colonies spread out in time. When messages take years to travel between stars with any supplies or traffic taking a multiple of that and even more due to relativistic effects, what kind of interstellar society can you build.

Suppose any messages between America and Europe would take 10 years to arrive, while any ships take a hundred years to arrive. The two would simply grow apart as if the other doesn't really exist.

Does not need to be broken we only need to get near it.

Closest star is 4.24 lightyears away from earth and 4.37 from our own star called the sun so it would at the fastest rate mean we need to travel for 4.24 years but that speed is highly unlikely when we are capable to come close to the speed of light.

Breaking the speed of light could mean we would have to be able to create portals or fissure's into time and space (like the theories of wormholes) to be able moving mass at an almost unthinkable rate atm.



Immersiveunreality said:
SpokenTruth said:

We are intelligent only such as our frame of reference allows us to compare to.

That said, I believe their is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. But we've have only "looked" for it in 0.000000000000000000000001% of it. And that's just the observable universe.

400 billion stars in the Milky Way galaxy. 2 trillion galaxies in the observable universe. The full universe is infinity bigger. The sheer numbers basically guarantee it must exist or at least existed at some time (the universe is nearly 14 billion years old).

This is all we have really "looked" at:  That tiny dot is the extent of our radio broadcasts.  And this is just our galaxy.

And the Fermi Paradox is bunk. I can't believe it gained any form of notoriety at all. The counters against it are many.

Bolded: And it is a big possibillity that our own for our minds "infinite" universe grows in a ("infinite")space together with an "infinite"amount of universes.

When taking that all in we must really consider that life should not be a rarity in such vast amounts of space and mass,the wall we hit to truly discover it is that even the star closest to our sun is too far to currently reach and to get there we need to find better and new ways to travel those distances like something to move beyond fossil fuels effectively.

It will be a challenge to remain that long on this planet without mass extinction so that we can achieve the needed scientifically progress to get further.

Indeed.  We know for a fact the figures I provided already and they are incomprehensible.  More Earth like planets exist than grains of sand on Earth itself.  And when you add in the possibility of multiple universes...you magnify the numbers exponentially that much more.

And just look at the image I provided.  That is as far as our signals have reached.  Any life with the capability of replying back is not likely to be that close to home.

Oh, and let's not forget that we are only looking for life as we understand it...as it has evolved here on Earth.  It's also possible that life elsewhere could be silicon based instead of carbon. Such a lifeform would have a very different metabolism and would appear very different from our humanoid and animal mental images of alien life we have now.



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Immersiveunreality said:
SvennoJ said:

If we're still stuck in out own little solar system in 1 billion years then we don't deserve to colonize the universe. Interstellar flight should be possible within another thousand years.

However if the speed of light can't be broken in any possible way, an interstellar society will simply be impossible. The universe might already have small islands of disconnected colonies spread out in time. When messages take years to travel between stars with any supplies or traffic taking a multiple of that and even more due to relativistic effects, what kind of interstellar society can you build.

Suppose any messages between America and Europe would take 10 years to arrive, while any ships take a hundred years to arrive. The two would simply grow apart as if the other doesn't really exist.

Does not need to be broken we only need to get near it.

Closest star is 4.24 lightyears away from earth and 4.37 from our own star called the sun so it would at the fastest rate mean we need to travel for 4.24 years but that speed is highly unlikely when we are capable to come close to the speed of light.

Breaking the speed of light could mean we would have to be able to create portals or fissure's into time and space (like the theories of wormholes) to be able moving mass at an almost unthinkable rate atm.

Quantum entanglement or something like it will probably be the answer. You take a pair of entangled particles, put one of them on one side of the planet, and put the other on the opposite side of the planet. You monitor both using identical methods. You change the state of one particle on one side of the planet, and the other on the opposite side of the planet changes instantaneously as well. Based on what is known as of now, there is no distance at which should cause a delay. Meaning you could have communication systems based on quantum entanglement and you could instantly communicate across space, galaxy to galaxy, with no delay whatsoever. The speed of light would be a joke in comparison.



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Immersiveunreality said:
SvennoJ said:

If we're still stuck in out own little solar system in 1 billion years then we don't deserve to colonize the universe. Interstellar flight should be possible within another thousand years.

However if the speed of light can't be broken in any possible way, an interstellar society will simply be impossible. The universe might already have small islands of disconnected colonies spread out in time. When messages take years to travel between stars with any supplies or traffic taking a multiple of that and even more due to relativistic effects, what kind of interstellar society can you build.

Suppose any messages between America and Europe would take 10 years to arrive, while any ships take a hundred years to arrive. The two would simply grow apart as if the other doesn't really exist.

Does not need to be broken we only need to get near it.

Closest star is 4.24 lightyears away from earth and 4.37 from our own star called the sun so it would at the fastest rate mean we need to travel for 4.24 years but that speed is highly unlikely when we are capable to come close to the speed of light.

Breaking the speed of light could mean we would have to be able to create portals or fissure's into time and space (like the theories of wormholes) to be able moving mass at an almost unthinkable rate atm.

My point was more, what kind of society do you get when it takes 4.24 years for a simple message to be transmitted to the next system. You actually travel for less if I understand time dilation correctly. For observers it takes you 4.24 years. At the speed of light you are there instantaneously (in your own reference) so the journey would appear much shorter to you. Still that large amount of time will have passed on either side, it's just your observation of time and distance that chances.

EricHiggin said:

Quantum entanglement or something like it will probably be the answer. You take a pair of entangled particles, put one of them on one side of the planet, and put the other on the opposite side of the planet. You monitor both using identical methods. You change the state of one particle on one side of the planet, and the other on the opposite side of the planet changes instantaneously as well. Based on what is known as of now, there is no distance at which should cause a delay. Meaning you could have communication systems based on quantum entanglement and you could instantly communicate across space, galaxy to galaxy, with no delay whatsoever. The speed of light would be a joke in comparison.

You first need to bring the entangled particles to the destination, but theoretically it could work. Then all we need is transporters or stargates. No need for generation ships or cryo chambers, simply send one with a stargate onboard. It's just informtation you can transmit ofcourse, any raw materials need to still be hauled back physically.

Let's get quantum entangled internet on Earth first, away with the lag.



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If we're ever to reach stars, the most probable solution is some sort of warp drive. We're really nowhere near it, but with ideas like Alcubierre drive (and refinement of it), it just might happen one day.



SvennoJ said:
EricHiggin said:

Quantum entanglement or something like it will probably be the answer. You take a pair of entangled particles, put one of them on one side of the planet, and put the other on the opposite side of the planet. You monitor both using identical methods. You change the state of one particle on one side of the planet, and the other on the opposite side of the planet changes instantaneously as well. Based on what is known as of now, there is no distance at which should cause a delay. Meaning you could have communication systems based on quantum entanglement and you could instantly communicate across space, galaxy to galaxy, with no delay whatsoever. The speed of light would be a joke in comparison.

You first need to bring the entangled particles to the destination, but theoretically it could work. Then all we need is transporters or stargates. No need for generation ships or cryo chambers, simply send one with a stargate onboard. It's just informtation you can transmit ofcourse, any raw materials need to still be hauled back physically.

Let's get quantum entangled internet on Earth first, away with the lag.

True. Steps would need to be taken before quantum entanglement could be put to use in that sense, and yes, lag free internet well before that.



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True social law, in all of us demand.
With cattle farts, we view sea rise,
Our North sinking slowly.
From far and snide, oh planet Earth, 
Our healthcare is yours free!
Science save our land, harnessing the breeze,
Oh planet Earth, smoke weed and ferment yeast.
Oh planet Earth, ell gee bee queue and tee.

There are no aliens because we are all living in a simulation.

If we can’t break through that. We won’t find anything alive outside earth.



BlackBeauty said:
There are no aliens because we are all living in a simulation.

If we can’t break through that. We won’t find anything alive outside earth.



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BlackBeauty said:
There are no aliens because we are all living in a simulation.

If we can’t break through that. We won’t find anything alive outside earth.