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Shiken said:
KazumaKiryu said:
Sony invest the most money in their games - more than Microsoft / Nintendo in the last five years. That's a fact.
One of the big reasons, why i love the PS4 so much too.

Is that why Zelda Breath of the Wild beat Horizon Zero Dawn in sales, score, and awards?  I mean, Horizon was clearly more expensive, but so was Star Wars Battefront 2 and Destiny 2.  So investing a lot of money does not mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

Sorry but Nintendo exclusives are every bit as good as Sony ones, sometimes better depending on taste.  Claiming otherwise, even if the games are not your cup of tea, is like living with your head in the sand.

Now MS on the other hand...well Forza is great, but thats about it.  However that is just my personal opinion.

Hey :) I understand what you want to say. But Zelda should not be compared to a new IP. there are more games and multi-games for PS4 than on the switch = more games-competition. But what have sales figures to do with development costs@my comment? i see your point, but.. The story/characters/dialogues were mediocre in the new Zelda, the game would not even be in my personal top 10 in recent years. It's a pity that official magazines do not rate stories / characters. Otherwise some games would get much stronger reviews and others less %. But I would not compare here all this things, i just write this comment - because you quoted me.

Star Wars Battlefront 2 and Destiny 2 had high costs due to marketing, thats true. But Sony has high Development Costs (Horizon Zero Dawn, God of War, TLOU, Uncharted 4, Detroit Become Human, Spiderman, ect). Maybe "Days Gone" in april too - but for this game, i dont know it currently. But with "Ghost of Tsushima", Final Fantasy 7 Remake and "The Last of Us 2" come the next games with extreme development costs. That's really great to see how much effort and money in the games are being invested for us :) This is good for all in my opinion, because otherwise the video game market at some point consists only of mini-games, online-matches, games without legendary moments/good story and interesting characters. Sony has been investing more in their game development for years than Nintendo and Microsoft. That's a fact, if you look at the games of the last few years.

The large number of Nintendo games have no high development costs and can appear on the market faster than games (for example) from Sony / Rockstar Games / Naughty Dog. The overall package of the PS4 I find impressive, both the quality of games and the large selection of games. I'm grateful for the wonderful game support from the West and Japan. This perfect combi is another of the reasons - why the PS4 is maybe my favorite console of all time. That's why I'm so happy with the console, Shiken. edit: Greetings & wish you a great weekend :)

Last edited by KazumaKiryu - on 31 March 2019

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It's the same on Xbox. Not a fan of this either and I go back to "retro" more often because I can just load it up and play. When this generation started I already wondered where the small updates went. It's like the devs now always need to update the whole game when they just throw in a quick patch. Xbox 360 had updates below 100MB which didn't annoy at all but then all of a sudden games always needed GBs of updates while the game itself as just a bit bigger. Then you check the patch notes and it says "fixed rare crash in options menu when flipping around the switches" and it eats up 3GB for your 4GB game.



Shiken said:
KazumaKiryu said:
Sony invest the most money in their games - more than Microsoft / Nintendo in the last five years. That's a fact.
One of the big reasons, why i love the PS4 so much too.

Is that why Zelda Breath of the Wild beat Horizon Zero Dawn in sales, score, and awards?  I mean, Horizon was clearly more expensive, but so was Star Wars Battefront 2 and Destiny 2.  So investing a lot of money does not mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

Sorry but Nintendo exclusives are every bit as good as Sony ones, sometimes better depending on taste.  Claiming otherwise, even if the games are not your cup of tea, is like living with your head in the sand.

Now MS on the other hand...well Forza is great, but thats about it.  However that is just my personal opinion.

Investing money means commitment and it's very important, even when the money invested dont result in a better accomplishment.

KazumaKiryu said:
Shiken said:

Is that why Zelda Breath of the Wild beat Horizon Zero Dawn in sales, score, and awards?  I mean, Horizon was clearly more expensive, but so was Star Wars Battefront 2 and Destiny 2.  So investing a lot of money does not mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

Sorry but Nintendo exclusives are every bit as good as Sony ones, sometimes better depending on taste.  Claiming otherwise, even if the games are not your cup of tea, is like living with your head in the sand.

Now MS on the other hand...well Forza is great, but thats about it.  However that is just my personal opinion.

Hey :) I understand what you want to say. But Zelda should not be compared to a new IP. there are more games and multi-games for PS4 than on the switch = more games-competition. But what have sales figures to do with development costs@my comment? i see your point, but.. The story/characters/dialogues were mediocre in the new Zelda, the game would not even be in my personal top 10 in recent years. It's a pity that official magazines do not rate stories / characters. Otherwise some games would get much stronger reviews and others less %. But I would not compare here all this things, i just write this comment - because you quoted me.

Star Wars Battlefront 2 and Destiny 2 had high costs due to marketing, thats true. But Sony has high Development Costs (Horizon Zero Dawn, God of War, TLOU, Uncharted 4, Detroit Become Human, Spiderman, ect). Maybe "Days Gone" in april too - but for this game, i dont know it currently. But with "Ghost of Tsushima", Final Fantasy 7 Remake and "The Last of Us 2" come the next games with extreme development costs. That's really great to see how much effort and money in the games are being invested for us :) This is good for all in my opinion, because otherwise the video game market at some point consists only of mini-games, online-matches, games without legendary moments/good story and interesting characters. Sony has been investing more in their game development for years than Nintendo and Microsoft. That's a fact, if you look at the games of the last few years.

The large number of Nintendo games have no high development costs and can appear on the market faster than games (for example) from Sony / Rockstar Games / Naughty Dog. The overall package of the PS4 I find impressive, both the quality of games and the large selection of games. I'm grateful for the wonderful game support from the West and Japan. This perfect combi is another of the reasons - why the PS4 is maybe my favorite console of all time. That's why I'm so happy with the console, Shiken. edit: Greetings & wish you a great weekend :)

In agreement with you, yes, Nintendo for example reuses the Mario brand all the time and their investment in their games is not as risky as Sony at all. Plus, Zelda gets 90 anyway, whatever they do. Yeah, call me hater and nutter, but I believe in Zelda review bias. Nintendo can't be wrong with Zelda.



My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

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0D0 said:
Shiken said:

Is that why Zelda Breath of the Wild beat Horizon Zero Dawn in sales, score, and awards?  I mean, Horizon was clearly more expensive, but so was Star Wars Battefront 2 and Destiny 2.  So investing a lot of money does not mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

Sorry but Nintendo exclusives are every bit as good as Sony ones, sometimes better depending on taste.  Claiming otherwise, even if the games are not your cup of tea, is like living with your head in the sand.

Now MS on the other hand...well Forza is great, but thats about it.  However that is just my personal opinion.

Investing money means commitment and it's very important, even when the money invested dont result in a better accomplishment.

KazumaKiryu said:

Hey :) I understand what you want to say. But Zelda should not be compared to a new IP. there are more games and multi-games for PS4 than on the switch = more games-competition. But what have sales figures to do with development costs@my comment? i see your point, but.. The story/characters/dialogues were mediocre in the new Zelda, the game would not even be in my personal top 10 in recent years. It's a pity that official magazines do not rate stories / characters. Otherwise some games would get much stronger reviews and others less %. But I would not compare here all this things, i just write this comment - because you quoted me.

Star Wars Battlefront 2 and Destiny 2 had high costs due to marketing, thats true. But Sony has high Development Costs (Horizon Zero Dawn, God of War, TLOU, Uncharted 4, Detroit Become Human, Spiderman, ect). Maybe "Days Gone" in april too - but for this game, i dont know it currently. But with "Ghost of Tsushima", Final Fantasy 7 Remake and "The Last of Us 2" come the next games with extreme development costs. That's really great to see how much effort and money in the games are being invested for us :) This is good for all in my opinion, because otherwise the video game market at some point consists only of mini-games, online-matches, games without legendary moments/good story and interesting characters. Sony has been investing more in their game development for years than Nintendo and Microsoft. That's a fact, if you look at the games of the last few years.

The large number of Nintendo games have no high development costs and can appear on the market faster than games (for example) from Sony / Rockstar Games / Naughty Dog. The overall package of the PS4 I find impressive, both the quality of games and the large selection of games. I'm grateful for the wonderful game support from the West and Japan. This perfect combi is another of the reasons - why the PS4 is maybe my favorite console of all time. That's why I'm so happy with the console, Shiken. edit: Greetings & wish you a great weekend :)

In agreement with you, yes, Nintendo for example reuses the Mario brand all the time and their investment in their games is not as risky as Sony at all. Plus, Zelda gets 90 anyway, whatever they do. Yeah, call me hater and nutter, but I believe in Zelda review bias. Nintendo can't be wrong with Zelda.

So we are just going to pretend Splatoon,  Daemon X Machina, Astral Chain, and reviving Bayonetta are not risks?

As for Zelda, this is false on so many levels.  I am going to say look at the review scores for Triforce Heros and Hyrule Warriors and leave it at that.  Nothing wrong with admitting that the majority of a certain IP just so happens to put out high quality entries.



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0D0 said:
Shiken said:

Is that why Zelda Breath of the Wild beat Horizon Zero Dawn in sales, score, and awards?  I mean, Horizon was clearly more expensive, but so was Star Wars Battefront 2 and Destiny 2.  So investing a lot of money does not mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

Sorry but Nintendo exclusives are every bit as good as Sony ones, sometimes better depending on taste.  Claiming otherwise, even if the games are not your cup of tea, is like living with your head in the sand.

Now MS on the other hand...well Forza is great, but thats about it.  However that is just my personal opinion.

Investing money means commitment and it's very important, even when the money invested dont result in a better accomplishment.

KazumaKiryu said:

Hey :) I understand what you want to say. But Zelda should not be compared to a new IP. there are more games and multi-games for PS4 than on the switch = more games-competition. But what have sales figures to do with development costs@my comment? i see your point, but.. The story/characters/dialogues were mediocre in the new Zelda, the game would not even be in my personal top 10 in recent years. It's a pity that official magazines do not rate stories / characters. Otherwise some games would get much stronger reviews and others less %. But I would not compare here all this things, i just write this comment - because you quoted me.

Star Wars Battlefront 2 and Destiny 2 had high costs due to marketing, thats true. But Sony has high Development Costs (Horizon Zero Dawn, God of War, TLOU, Uncharted 4, Detroit Become Human, Spiderman, ect). Maybe "Days Gone" in april too - but for this game, i dont know it currently. But with "Ghost of Tsushima", Final Fantasy 7 Remake and "The Last of Us 2" come the next games with extreme development costs. That's really great to see how much effort and money in the games are being invested for us :) This is good for all in my opinion, because otherwise the video game market at some point consists only of mini-games, online-matches, games without legendary moments/good story and interesting characters. Sony has been investing more in their game development for years than Nintendo and Microsoft. That's a fact, if you look at the games of the last few years.

The large number of Nintendo games have no high development costs and can appear on the market faster than games (for example) from Sony / Rockstar Games / Naughty Dog. The overall package of the PS4 I find impressive, both the quality of games and the large selection of games. I'm grateful for the wonderful game support from the West and Japan. This perfect combi is another of the reasons - why the PS4 is maybe my favorite console of all time. That's why I'm so happy with the console, Shiken. edit: Greetings & wish you a great weekend :)

In agreement with you, yes, Nintendo for example reuses the Mario brand all the time and their investment in their games is not as risky as Sony at all. Plus, Zelda gets 90 anyway, whatever they do. Yeah, call me hater and nutter, but I believe in Zelda review bias. Nintendo can't be wrong with Zelda.

The Mario brand is used cause the Mario brand is the most successful video games franchise of all time, and the games are almost always good to excellent. And also, it's time to accept that Zelda games are good too, consistent from good to excellent. You gotta get over it.



Shiken said:
0D0 said:

Investing money means commitment and it's very important, even when the money invested dont result in a better accomplishment.

In agreement with you, yes, Nintendo for example reuses the Mario brand all the time and their investment in their games is not as risky as Sony at all. Plus, Zelda gets 90 anyway, whatever they do. Yeah, call me hater and nutter, but I believe in Zelda review bias. Nintendo can't be wrong with Zelda.

So we are just going to pretend Splatoon,  Daemon X Machina, Astral Chain, and reviving Bayonetta are not risks?

As for Zelda, this is false on so many levels.  I am going to say look at the review scores for Triforce Heros and Hyrule Warriors and leave it at that.  Nothing wrong with admitting that the majority of a certain IP just so happens to put out high quality entries.

No, I'm saying that investing in Mario/Zelda and Co (the 30 year old franchises) is not as a investment as God of War and Horizon Zero Dawn.



My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

There were three ravens sat on a tree / They were as blacke as they might be / The one of them said to his mate, Where shall we our breakfast take?


0D0 said:
Shiken said:

So we are just going to pretend Splatoon,  Daemon X Machina, Astral Chain, and reviving Bayonetta are not risks?

As for Zelda, this is false on so many levels.  I am going to say look at the review scores for Triforce Heros and Hyrule Warriors and leave it at that.  Nothing wrong with admitting that the majority of a certain IP just so happens to put out high quality entries.

No, I'm saying that investing in Mario/Zelda and Co (the 30 year old franchises) is not as a investment as God of War and Horizon Zero Dawn.

Thats not what you said, but ok lets pretend that you didn't forget about Nintendo taking risks on newer IPs and you were not trying to claim that all Nintendo does is reuse the same franchises without risk.

Now we have come full circle.  Once again, investment does not equal quality.  Despite being less of an investment, Breath of the Wild still beat out Horizon in sales, score, and won GotY.  Mario Odyssey scored just as high.  I play games, not investments, and therefore the notion that Sony games are better due to how much money they invest is just plain incorrect.

Now do not get me wrong, God of War and Horizon are both amazing games.  God of War was my GotY 2018, but lets take a look at some more heavily invested games on Sony's side.

Killzone Shadowfall was an expensive investment, and is one of the weakest in the franchise.  The Order 1886 was a very heavy investment, and we all know how that turned out.  Driveclub bombed, got better with patches, and is now being removed from the store.

So I will say it again, investment means little in the grand scheme of things.  What does make good games is the developers and talent behind games like Zelda, Mario, God of War, Horizon, Smash, etc.  In this regard, Sony and Nintendo both have a lot going for them.



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Shiken said:
0D0 said:

No, I'm saying that investing in Mario/Zelda and Co (the 30 year old franchises) is not as a investment as God of War and Horizon Zero Dawn.

Thats not what you said, but ok lets pretend that you didn't forget about Nintendo taking risks on newer IPs and you were not trying to claim that all Nintendo does is reuse the same franchises without risk.

Now we have come full circle.  Once again, investment does not equal quality.  Despite being less of an investment, Breath of the Wild still beat out Horizon in sales, score, and won GotY.  Mario Odyssey scored just as high.  I play games, not investments, and therefore the notion that Sony games are better due to how much money they invest is just plain incorrect.

Now do not get me wrong, God of War and Horizon are both amazing games.  God of War was my GotY 2018, but lets take a look at some more heavily invested games on Sony's side.

Killzone Shadowfall was an expensive investment, and is one of the weakest in the franchise.  The Order 1886 was a very heavy investment, and we all know how that turned out.  Driveclub bombed, got better with patches, and is now being removed from the store.

So I will say it again, investment means little in the grand scheme of things.  What does make good games is the developers and talent behind games like Zelda, Mario, God of War, Horizon, Smash, etc.  In this regard, Sony and Nintendo both have a lot going for them.

Nobody said "Sony games are better due to how much money they invest".

I said "Investing money means commitment and it's very important".  A reply to " investing a lot of money does not mean anything ".

So, I'm disagreeing, saying: no, it does mean something.

To the other guy, not to you, I added: "Nintendo for example reuses the Mario brand all the time and their investment in their games is not as risky as Sony at all. ". Most Nintendo revenue comes from "Mario/Zelda/Pokemon & Co", the 30 year-old evergreens. Investing is them is clearly not as risky as what Sony's been doing in recent generations. It's a fair comparison. It's not that Sony takes a lot of risk and Nintendo doesn't take any. Nintendo takes less. If you think Nintendo takes more or takes the same, I respect your opinion while disagreeing.



My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

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