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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
The biggest problem I have with my PS4 is just that the OS is so incredibly slow. I also really don't like the fact that something like every 1 in 7 times I start my PS4 Pro, it has a 1-2 second delay in sound and so I have to restart it again.

That sounds annoying. I think you have a bunk system. I have never had this happen on either my launch PS4 or the Pro, and I have used them both quite a bit more than you have.



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COKTOE said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
The biggest problem I have with my PS4 is just that the OS is so incredibly slow. I also really don't like the fact that something like every 1 in 7 times I start my PS4 Pro, it has a 1-2 second delay in sound and so I have to restart it again.

That sounds annoying. I think you have a bunk system. I have never had this happen on either my launch PS4 or the Pro, and I have used them both quite a bit more than you have.

Oh I know it's not an intentional issue or something too common on PS4 Pros. 

I've always hoped it was more so a simple software issue with the PS4 Pro rather than a hardware issue, since the system runs fine otherwise (the only time the OS is slow is in the store or when I'm playing a very demanding game and using the main PS4 menu). 

That being said I guess I should really stop being lazy and look for a fix. It's possible it's just something I need to tinker around with. Usually I just restart my console. It can be annoying though especially when you start a high-octane action game and realize minutes in that your sound is screwing you up



RaptorChrist said:
Spike0503 said:
I feel ya. I only own a 160gb PS3 and having to erase games and installation data is always a hassle. I can't imagine having to share a console with someone though. That's gotta be part of your problem as well.

At one point in time the only PS3 I had was a 12 GB. My original PS3 had broke, and I didn't fix or replace it until I needed to. The day Dark Souls 2 came out was the day I decided to remedy the situation, and I did so by opting into the cheapest SKU I could find, and it was a 12 GB Super Slim, which I think was around $200 at the time, plus the cost of the Dark Souls 2 game.

I really regret that purchase. The 12 GB limit sucks, but even worse than that is the fact that the damn thing started crapping out on me after less than a year. The system still works, but every so often the fan within the system will become extremely loud... and I mean LOUD... Something is loose and it's probably a simple fix but I haven't bothered to acquire the tools to do so. (Since then I bought a co-workers PS3 for $50 along with controllers and a dozen or so games a couple years ago).

Wow, that sounds terrible. I originally wanted a launch model PS3 with the PS2 compatibility but I heard of unreliability issues along with the super small HDD made me get the Slim model. It's been with me for 8 years and I haven't had a single problem with it.

I don't trust those Super Slim models. Though they do offer bigger HDDs than the Slims, I remember lending my disc copy of Bayonetta to a friend who had a Super Slim. He said it didn't work. I was so shocked, I thought maybe the disc got scratched without me noticing or he did something to it but when I tested it on my PS3 it worked fine. I don't know if that's a common problem or a 1 in a million thing but ever since then, I've decided to take good care of my Slim model.

Anyway, sorry for the old gen tangent lol.



d21lewis said:

Keep it turned on so that the updates install automatically. Also (unless there are a lot of updates) most games let you start playing at least the intro after a couple of minutes.

MY PROBLEMS with the PS4 are:

-if the system shuts down accidentally, it has to go through an entire systems check. It also doesn't automatically reconnect to the web when power is restored. You may have a ten second power outage and not even know it. Then you fire up your PS4 only to have to go through a diagnostic check of the console and hard drive. 

-Cloud storage is a chore. I'm sure it's great compared to the Switch but when my other console just lets me go to another room, turn on whatever game I was playing, and instantly have my progress (think Netflix or YouTube), having to sync my own data gets aggravating.

-Controller is probably dead. Whenever I'm finally ready to play, my battery is probably dead. I also have 3 PS Move controllers that stay on a charging cradle. Two of them won't hold a charge at all.

That's about it.

The problem is, at some point updates start failing because a lot of games require the entire game to be copied for an update. GT Sport needs 80GB free for a small update. Fortnite also takes forever to copy after each update.

I can't keep it on as, what you said, if you unplug it to move it, it has to go through an entire systems check. Plus data caps... Certainly can't let the thing download huge updates by itself for everything that's still installed.

I don't know if Windows 10 automatically updates its apps. I deleted FH4 and Crackdown just to be sure. My game pass month has run out and I don't want to waste bandwidth on game updates. I was done with those anyway.

And yeah those move controllers. I have to use one wired as well for psvr, won't charge anymore. The ps4 very usefully recommends to unplug the cable for a better experience....



Conina said:
DonFerrari said:

I wouldn't trade ownership and being able to play offline just to avoid having to install games.

Me neither. The disadvantages of game-streaming are (so far) much greater than their advantages.

Nevertheless it would be the solution for the problems in the OT (waiting for installs and updates, not enough space for multiple installs).

Why does everyone think Streaming takes the games away from you.. Streaming would run off your digital library, no different to your current digital library. If you are paying for Gamepass or PSNow than there rental services, of course they will take ownership of the games, because you never actually brought them.



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Your biggest problem is sharing a console with someone else. That's not a good way to be and that's also the main reason you're out of HDD space. Other than that, just play game Y while game X is installing, or do something completely different.
People usually have the whole 500GB or more to themselves and I only play one game at a time anyways. Maybe that's part of the problem, too. You have too many games going on simultaneously, and your attention is divided, so you just kind of tune out instead of following through with one story at a time and really getting into it. Instead of experiencing a journey from start to finish, you go in intermittently like "where was I again, what was this about again?".



You dont delete data with a game you finish (other than the save data)?

HDD space should not really be a issue unless you installed every single game you have.

Also its not a issue with the PS4 specifically, I mean this "issue" is just something that is now the norm for gaming.

If it takes a day to install something, go do something else and wait till next day to play the game - or what I do is I would install something that takes quite a while and play something else.



    

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BasilZero said:
You dont delete data with a game you finish (other than the save data)?

HDD space should not really be a issue unless you installed every single game you have.

Also its not a issue with the PS4 specifically, I mean this "issue" is just something that is now the norm for gaming.

If it takes a day to install something, go do something else and wait till next day to play the game - or what I do is I would install something that takes quite a while and play something else.

You delete games that you've finished?



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Pemalite said:
Signalstar said:

I miss the days when you could just pop in a game and it would work automatically. The most convenient situation is if I have the game digitally, it is already on my drive, and there are no multi-GB updates needed before I could play. That is honestly so rare though. I share my PS4 with my bro and we have different tastes so we have to compromise which games are installed at any given time.

I still have my launch day PS4 basic. We even upgraded the hard disk to 1TB. I know that is a pitiful amount nowadays but developers should go easy on the amount of data they use. Any suggestions? I will probably upgrade the disk again and I heard external drives are useful too.

I might just buy a PS Now subscription and play through that library.

Same boat as you. I don't play my console very often, maybe once every few months... But when I do fire it up, the last thing I want to worry about is yet another silly update.
But.. I do however turn my console on twice a month to grab the free Games with Gold... So when I do that, I check to see whether there are any updates for my 400~ game library on my Xbox One X.

Having 13~ Terabytes worth of drive space for my Xbox has allowed me to keep my entire library installed and updated thankfully, which removes allot of the inconvenience factor, it's still there... But significantly less.

Basically the only real answer to your question is... More disk space for more games to be installed and check for updates more frequently.

Or just join the PC Gaming master race instead.

d21lewis said:

Keep it turned on so that the updates install automatically. Also (unless there are a lot of updates) most games let you start playing at least the intro after a couple of minutes.

What about electricity?

d21lewis said:

-Controller is probably dead. Whenever I'm finally ready to play, my battery is probably dead. I also have 3 PS Move controllers that stay on a charging cradle. Two of them won't hold a charge at all.

That's about it.

One thing I like about the Xbox controllers is the ability to hot-swap batteries, always have a dozen or so charged AA's ready to swap over... And when those batteries eventually (Not a matter of if, but when) die, I can easily replace them without dissembling or replacing the entire controller, lithium cells are usually only good for about 1,000 cycles give or take.

For me it's funny the complains about battery life on DS3 and DS4. On both consoles I had the same controler since I purchased the console (so 5y+ of use), playing daily for 2h, and weekend for like 8h. My battery life is still about a full day of playing on weekend.

Now because my son uses my controls to play on the other PS4 and never remembers to charge when it's low from time to time I can't just swap controller to let one charging while I play with the other. So I just use the usb outlet near the couch or could just use a 6ft cable.

For me it is much more convenient than purchasing plenty of AA batteries or remembering to keep the batteries charged.

Conina said:
DonFerrari said:

I wouldn't trade ownership and being able to play offline just to avoid having to install games.

Me neither. The disadvantages of game-streaming are (so far) much greater than their advantages.

Nevertheless it would be the solution for the problems in the OT (waiting for installs and updates, not enough space for multiple installs).

For me that would be like trading a small evil for a very big one.

VAMatt said:
DonFerrari said:

I wouldn't trade ownership and being able to play offline just to avoid having to install games.

Good thing nobody is asking you to trade one for the other.  Streaming is not about to replace the traditional model anytime soon.  There is plenty of room for both, and many gamers can probably afford to subscribe to a streaming service *in addition* to purchasing games like they do now.  That is certainly my plan.

I didn't say you have to mandatory trade (although some companies are certainly looking in that direction), but certainly I wouldn't buy and rent the same game at the same time. So if I was to be on gamepass or psnow I wouldn't be buying those games, let's forget about the poorer performance. That is the trade I'm talking about.

And in fact considering OP complain as long as he buys the games and don't manage HDD (as he is doing now) the problem would persist on subscription unless he just stopped purchasing game, so he would in fact trade one for the other.

AngryLittleAlchemist said:
COKTOE said:

That sounds annoying. I think you have a bunk system. I have never had this happen on either my launch PS4 or the Pro, and I have used them both quite a bit more than you have.

Oh I know it's not an intentional issue or something too common on PS4 Pros. 

I've always hoped it was more so a simple software issue with the PS4 Pro rather than a hardware issue, since the system runs fine otherwise (the only time the OS is slow is in the store or when I'm playing a very demanding game and using the main PS4 menu). 

That being said I guess I should really stop being lazy and look for a fix. It's possible it's just something I need to tinker around with. Usually I just restart my console. It can be annoying though especially when you start a high-octane action game and realize minutes in that your sound is screwing you up

I never had this issue, but my OS was very slow and I discovered that rebuilding your database can correct several unrelated issues.

SvennoJ said:
d21lewis said:

Keep it turned on so that the updates install automatically. Also (unless there are a lot of updates) most games let you start playing at least the intro after a couple of minutes.

MY PROBLEMS with the PS4 are:

-if the system shuts down accidentally, it has to go through an entire systems check. It also doesn't automatically reconnect to the web when power is restored. You may have a ten second power outage and not even know it. Then you fire up your PS4 only to have to go through a diagnostic check of the console and hard drive. 

-Cloud storage is a chore. I'm sure it's great compared to the Switch but when my other console just lets me go to another room, turn on whatever game I was playing, and instantly have my progress (think Netflix or YouTube), having to sync my own data gets aggravating.

-Controller is probably dead. Whenever I'm finally ready to play, my battery is probably dead. I also have 3 PS Move controllers that stay on a charging cradle. Two of them won't hold a charge at all.

That's about it.

The problem is, at some point updates start failing because a lot of games require the entire game to be copied for an update. GT Sport needs 80GB free for a small update. Fortnite also takes forever to copy after each update.

I can't keep it on as, what you said, if you unplug it to move it, it has to go through an entire systems check. Plus data caps... Certainly can't let the thing download huge updates by itself for everything that's still installed.

I don't know if Windows 10 automatically updates its apps. I deleted FH4 and Crackdown just to be sure. My game pass month has run out and I don't want to waste bandwidth on game updates. I was done with those anyway.

And yeah those move controllers. I have to use one wired as well for psvr, won't charge anymore. The ps4 very usefully recommends to unplug the cable for a better experience....

You have to do the correct and full power off to unplug and move so you don't have to go through system check. I unfortunatelly have to go over it almost every day because around 3pm every day there is a second or two power outtage.

GoOnKid said:
BasilZero said:
You dont delete data with a game you finish (other than the save data)?

HDD space should not really be a issue unless you installed every single game you have.

Also its not a issue with the PS4 specifically, I mean this "issue" is just something that is now the norm for gaming.

If it takes a day to install something, go do something else and wait till next day to play the game - or what I do is I would install something that takes quite a while and play something else.

You delete games that you've finished?

Most people delete the game (the 40+ GB) after they finish a game and won't play it again in the near future, keeping only the save.



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GoOnKid said:
BasilZero said:
You dont delete data with a game you finish (other than the save data)?

HDD space should not really be a issue unless you installed every single game you have.

Also its not a issue with the PS4 specifically, I mean this "issue" is just something that is now the norm for gaming.

If it takes a day to install something, go do something else and wait till next day to play the game - or what I do is I would install something that takes quite a while and play something else.

You delete games that you've finished?

Yes...why would I want to keep it installed when I could reinstall it again when and if needed

Also I could use that space for more games and updates 



    

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