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Dark_Lord_2008 on 13 April 2019

If you do not gain employment between the ages of 15 to 25 it is highly likely you will face long periods of unemployment later in life. A 25 year old is a better job applicant with 5 to 10 years employment compared to a 25 year old who has never had a job in his/her life. I reached 25 and had never worked, I completed a Bachelor degree and 10 years have gone by so quickly and now in my mid 30s, I have never worked. 

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/young-and-out-australia-s-hidden-scourge-of-youth-unemployment-20180622-p4zn4k.html

Why are young people increasingly failing to make the leap into full-time jobs? It's hard to know. Partly it's a subdued economy, but it's possible that young people are graduating with degrees that don't match the skills needed by employers.
Why employ a young person who needs experience when you can get a more experienced foreign worker ready to go for the same price?
How is it that we have growing youth unemployment and yet we are running a huge immigration program based on so called skills shortages? Skills shortages that don't have any independent market testing or any requirement to list positions locally.
It is a increasingly competitive jobs market. Young people are staying in education longer than ever before, they are taking up more unpaid cadetships and training positions. In a global labor market labor is cheap. Government policy supports business profits against the interests of workers. The wages and conditions build up over generations of the labor movement are being undone.

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Dark_Lord_2008 on 14 April 2019

https://unemployedworkersunion.com/job-seekers-v-job-vacancy-data/

2018 (December)

Unemployed: 666,700 (Labor Force, ABS 6202.0)

Underemployed: 1,117,500  (Labor Force, ABS 6202.0)

Hidden’ unemployed: 1,080,000   (Participation Job Search and Mobility February 2018, ABS 6226.0)

Department of Employment, Vacancy Report: 183,900′

2,864,200 competing for 183,900 job vacancies

Ratio of job seekers to job vacancies: 1 to 15.57 

Clearly not enough jobs and majority of unemployed remain unemployed at the end of the month. Failure of businesses and government policy not creating enough employment. More part-time jobs are being created and fewer full time jobs are being created that increases the rate of underemployment.

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Snoopy on 14 April 2019
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

If you do not gain employment between the ages of 15 to 25 it is highly likely you will face long periods of unemployment later in life. A 25 year old is a better job applicant with 5 to 10 years employment compared to a 25 year old who has never had a job in his/her life. I reached 25 and had never worked, I completed a Bachelor degree and 10 years have gone by so quickly and now in my mid 30s, I have never worked. 

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/young-and-out-australia-s-hidden-scourge-of-youth-unemployment-20180622-p4zn4k.html

Why are young people increasingly failing to make the leap into full-time jobs? It's hard to know. Partly it's a subdued economy, but it's possible that young people are graduating with degrees that don't match the skills needed by employers.
Why employ a young person who needs experience when you can get a more experienced foreign worker ready to go for the same price?
How is it that we have growing youth unemployment and yet we are running a huge immigration program based on so called skills shortages? Skills shortages that don't have any independent market testing or any requirement to list positions locally.
It is a increasingly competitive jobs market. Young people are staying in education longer than ever before, they are taking up more unpaid cadetships and training positions. In a global labor market labor is cheap. Government policy supports business profits against the interests of workers. The wages and conditions build up over generations of the labor movement are being undone.

I can only speak about America, but experience means EVERYTHING. Connections are second and education comes at a distant third unless you graduated from an Ivy league school or something.



Immersiveunreality on 14 April 2019
Snoopy said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

If you do not gain employment between the ages of 15 to 25 it is highly likely you will face long periods of unemployment later in life. A 25 year old is a better job applicant with 5 to 10 years employment compared to a 25 year old who has never had a job in his/her life. I reached 25 and had never worked, I completed a Bachelor degree and 10 years have gone by so quickly and now in my mid 30s, I have never worked. 

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/young-and-out-australia-s-hidden-scourge-of-youth-unemployment-20180622-p4zn4k.html

Why are young people increasingly failing to make the leap into full-time jobs? It's hard to know. Partly it's a subdued economy, but it's possible that young people are graduating with degrees that don't match the skills needed by employers.
Why employ a young person who needs experience when you can get a more experienced foreign worker ready to go for the same price?
How is it that we have growing youth unemployment and yet we are running a huge immigration program based on so called skills shortages? Skills shortages that don't have any independent market testing or any requirement to list positions locally.
It is a increasingly competitive jobs market. Young people are staying in education longer than ever before, they are taking up more unpaid cadetships and training positions. In a global labor market labor is cheap. Government policy supports business profits against the interests of workers. The wages and conditions build up over generations of the labor movement are being undone.

I can only speak about America, but experience means EVERYTHING. Connections are second and education comes at a distant third unless you graduated from an Ivy league school or something.

I speak for Europe,just to compete with you ;)

But a lot of unexperienced people have gotten work because i asked the higher ups at my place,if people are interested and want to learn and work for their earnings im able to give them a chance.



Snoopy on 14 April 2019
Immersiveunreality said:
Snoopy said:

I can only speak about America, but experience means EVERYTHING. Connections are second and education comes at a distant third unless you graduated from an Ivy league school or something.

I speak for Europe,just to compete with you ;)

But a lot of unexperienced people have gotten work because i asked the higher ups at my place,if people are interested and want to learn and work for their earnings im able to give them a chance.

Disgusting, no wonder Europe is poor. You make me sick!

J/K btw.



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Cobretti2 on 14 April 2019

Yes there are a lot of useless degrees like arts, there is no job for arts.

However you did commerce, you should have been able to find a job. You can't just aim for the top 4 firms only in the country lol.

I did Engineering, i didn't get a job straight out of uni, it depends on when companies are hiring. Most good degrees students will land a job with a year.

Landing a job straight out of uni within the first 3 months is highly unrealistic expectation. If 70% are getting work within that time frame then fmd, that is pretty damn good.



 

 

JWeinCom on 14 April 2019

I've been unemployed for about a month, and it's getting me more depressed than I usually am.

I was a teacher, but I just couldn't do it. It wasn't for me. Unfortunately a teaching degree doesn't allow you to do much else besides teach (my undergrad was in English) so I'm sort of shit out of luck. I'm looking to get into the legal world so I've been filling out applications for entry level paralegal work. That's usually a straight out of college thing, so I was hoping an advanced degree would give me an edge, but no luck so far. I may go to law school, but that means another three years, and I'm terrified of winding up in a similar situation 3 years from now, finding out that I'm not equipped to be a lawyer either.

The whole thing has me feeling like shit and scared out of my mind that I'll just never be able to work. Has me just about on the verge of a breakdown. Just needed to vent I guess.



Dark_Lord_2008 on 14 April 2019

I hate people gloating how easy their life. They have no understanding of the real world.
Commerce is a useless degree and I regret ever wasting my  time and effort with a useless education.
If education or training does not lead to you gaining employment it is a waste of time and effort.
I have endless time to reflect upon my life and ponder what I could have done from an impossible situation. A different course like Engineering, IT or Law may have lead to bette employment prospects. A trade apprenticeship like plumbing, electrical work, painting, roof tiling, brick laying, may have lead to better employment prospects,

No matter what anyone says it will not change the fact that I will remain unemployed for the rest of my life. Positive thinking and self help books change nothing, you are either employed or unemployed. 

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Cobretti2 on 15 April 2019
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

I hate people gloating how easy their life. They have no understanding of the real world.
Commerce is a useless degree and I regret ever wasting my  time and effort with a useless education.
If education or training does not lead to you gaining employment it is a waste of time and effort.
I have endless time to reflect upon my life and ponder what I could have done from an impossible situation. A different course like Engineering, IT or Law may have lead to bette employment prospects. A trade apprenticeship like plumbing, electrical work, painting, roof tiling, brick laying, may have lead to better employment prospects,

No matter what anyone says it will not change the fact that I will remain unemployed for the rest of my life. Positive thinking and self help books change nothing, you are either employed or unemployed. 

I do not see anyone gloating. If anything you are getting examples of people that started out with nothing encouraging you to do better, people who put in the hard yards and got to where they are now. Is life easy now? Fuck yes, why shouldn't it be? worked hard to get there in the first place. I and a few other in here through their stories, was clear that they sacrificed their younger days to get a head and make something of their life.

Commerce is not a useless degree, all my wife's friends have one and they all been working for many years now. The issue is your expectations are too high. Even with a degree you start at the bottom of the food chain. Even me as an engineer, I had to listen to field techs and be abused for the first couple years and made fun of like you know nothing. It is part of growing up and learning.

Law does not have better prospect in Australia because there is too many of them. You spend 7 years doing the shit job, then you can sit the bar and then maybe you get to be a lawyer, Then another 10 years later and you may be an important lawyer. I seen lawyers who were junior lawyers in Australia for 10 years, then they moved to saw Singapore and 4 years later are head of legal of some company.

The point I am making, you need to do your research and be prepared to move to get the work you trained to do. No one likes to move, yes it is hard leaving your friends and comfort behind. But in the long run if it bring you rewards that you could never get where you were then sacrifices have to be made. I moved, didn't want to move, but you know what at the end of that dark tunnel there was a bright light and I would never move back now, even if I was offered equal pay.



 

 

Pemalite on 15 April 2019
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

I hate people gloating how easy their life. They have no understanding of the real world.
Commerce is a useless degree and I regret ever wasting my  time and effort with a useless education.
If education or training does not lead to you gaining employment it is a waste of time and effort.
I have endless time to reflect upon my life and ponder what I could have done from an impossible situation. A different course like Engineering, IT or Law may have lead to bette employment prospects. A trade apprenticeship like plumbing, electrical work, painting, roof tiling, brick laying, may have lead to better employment prospects,

No matter what anyone says it will not change the fact that I will remain unemployed for the rest of my life. Positive thinking and self help books change nothing, you are either employed or unemployed. 

Stop blaming everyone/everything else for your own shortfalls.

Your situation is entirely your own doing and only you can make something of yourself, life doesn't owe you a job, life doesn't owe you an education, life doesn't owe you an opportunity, life doesn't owe you single damn thing... And that's reality, that's life.

Sitting around complaining isn't going to change a single thing, start taking control, start taking responsibility. Make a plan. Move forwards.

Stop with the pity party, there are millions of people worse off than you are.



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