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Immersiveunreality said:
0D0 said:

If he's got a mental condition, whatever that is, that might explain why he can't get a job. Any condition, illness or disability makes everything a lot worse.

Indeed but it does not always have to become impossible,im doubtfull he would be happy if he did have a job because of the required social interactions in the workplace.

He has welfare,that makes him able to not need to worry about those things and at the same time it can keep people stuck in place because it is not needed to progress for surviving.And still what he said about the mails does not look sincere at all as in it seems highly doubtfull that is realistic,something about it will be true but not that exaggeration of 1000 send and no response.

In Australia to continue to get welfare you have to demonstrate that you are trying to find a job. I think 8 a week.

Most people who aren't really looking for work jsut send a generic email or letter to prove they did their quota to continue getting the hand outs.

There are jobs in WA but people think they are beneath them, hence why those organisations are hiring people from outside the country on work visas.



 

 

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Dark_Lord_2008 said:
My issues make it hard for me to randomly call strangers or approach strangers in person seeking employment.
I stick to emails only so I can apply for more and well it does not hurt my feeling that being rejected in person.
I can not handle dealing with people that I do not know in face to face interactions.

I have considered doing other courses + no relevant experience, more time wasted, the cost of the courses. I decided not to do further study that only makes me over qualified for menial low end jobs.

I considered the idea of running my own business and becoming and entrepreneur. Why be a slave and be underneath a boss? When you can be your own boss and be self employed. Work your own hours, any time you want. I really hate the hierarchy system and I have a disregard towards authority. I could not come up with any good ideas for a self employment business which costs nothing in set up costs.

Originally I was going to write back to you and say go read the other thread were many others and I tired to help you.

Here is an idea. You don't like talking to people, then write up a sign on cardboard, go stand in Perth CBD hold it up. I am sure someone will offer you some sort of job or help in finding one. A guy did that in Melbourne and people helped him find a job. 



 

 

I do not have a resume, I just can not be bothered writing one up and I never bothered with graduate programs because my marks were too low and too many steps involved in getting graduate jobs. I did not believe I had a chance of getting a gradate jobs so I did not bother.
I only just send short emails for jobs for retail, fast food, cleaning, factory, call centre, etc. In the emails I would say: I want a job, I need a job, I am fit and I can work now. I can work free for a trial if it is the job that I want to do. Please give me a chance. Prove this is a real job not a scam collecting personal details.
I did not give any mobile number just wanted a response via email. No responses. Ever. To apply for thousands of jobs of jobs for jobs that anyone can do is hard to accept.



Cobretti2 said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
My issues make it hard for me to randomly call strangers or approach strangers in person seeking employment.
I stick to emails only so I can apply for more and well it does not hurt my feeling that being rejected in person.
I can not handle dealing with people that I do not know in face to face interactions.

I have considered doing other courses + no relevant experience, more time wasted, the cost of the courses. I decided not to do further study that only makes me over qualified for menial low end jobs.

I considered the idea of running my own business and becoming and entrepreneur. Why be a slave and be underneath a boss? When you can be your own boss and be self employed. Work your own hours, any time you want. I really hate the hierarchy system and I have a disregard towards authority. I could not come up with any good ideas for a self employment business which costs nothing in set up costs.

Originally I was going to write back to you and say go read the other thread were many others and I tired to help you.

Here is an idea. You don't like talking to people, then write up a sign on cardboard, go stand in Perth CBD hold it up. I am sure someone will offer you some sort of job or help in finding one. A guy did that in Melbourne and people helped him find a job. 

Or let someone else do the call for him in his name, if he has any family that wants to help him out although it does not seem like it.



melbye said:
Yes, with severe social-anxiety it's not really that easy to get someone to hire you when you become a bumbling mess

This along with chronic depression, schizophrenia, bipolar or any mental health issue that never goes away.

People that do not have these conditions have absolutely no idea how hard life can be in this world with these issues.

Social stigma from abled body and mind people that have ignorant opinions on things they know nothing about besides caricatures of Hollywood films and TV shows.



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Dark_Lord_2008 said:
I do not have a resume, I just can not be bothered writing one up and I never bothered with graduate programs because my marks were too low and too many steps involved in getting graduate jobs. I did not believe I had a chance of getting a gradate jobs so I did not bother.
I only just send short emails for jobs for retail, fast food, cleaning, factory, call centre, etc. In the emails I would say: I want a job, I need a job, I am fit and I can work now. I can work free for a trial if it is the job that I want to do. Please give me a chance. Prove this is a real job not a scam collecting personal details.
I did not give any mobile number just wanted a response via email. No responses. Ever. To apply for thousands of jobs of jobs for jobs that anyone can do is hard to accept.

Would it make you happy to work amongst others after such a long time of social detachment,are you sure you can handle that?



Immersiveunreality said:
Cobretti2 said:

Originally I was going to write back to you and say go read the other thread were many others and I tired to help you.

Here is an idea. You don't like talking to people, then write up a sign on cardboard, go stand in Perth CBD hold it up. I am sure someone will offer you some sort of job or help in finding one. A guy did that in Melbourne and people helped him find a job. 

Or let someone else do the call for him in his name, if he has any family that wants to help him out although it does not seem like it.

Job agencies will also help you write a cover letter and resume etc (hell i offered to help in the last thread).

The dole program offers the opportunities to learn these thing. In fact many years ago they would force you to do refresher courses once a year. They would show you how to write letter and resume and even do mock interviews and ask you questions and you would answer them. Then they would give you tips on how to improve.

The fact that he just assumed his marks are too low to get in a graduate program and "too many step" to become a grad just shows he never wanted to be in that field to begin with.

I bet if he walked around Perth and looked a windows signs someone would have a sign that says hiring. There he can go in and explain his situation and ask for a chance. Some shops would be more than willing to give him a crack. Not many people out there go out of their way to show they want any job, hence why I said in another post employees resort to work visas to get people in from Asia etc to work. To many Aussies think certain jobs are beneath them and expect good money. 

I was lucky I started as a graduate engineer, but even then for an engineer I earned 35K, that is sweet fuck all money. I stuck it out and now im pushing 6 figures. 

As we have talked about before, the issue is his mind set, unless he is willing to listen to some and not look for acceptance he is a failure, he will never take steps to improve. Some of us (you and me included) are trying hard for months to help him. But the walls he has not even the Night King from GoT be able to knock down lol.



 

 

Immersiveunreality said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
I do not have a resume, I just can not be bothered writing one up and I never bothered with graduate programs because my marks were too low and too many steps involved in getting graduate jobs. I did not believe I had a chance of getting a gradate jobs so I did not bother.
I only just send short emails for jobs for retail, fast food, cleaning, factory, call centre, etc. In the emails I would say: I want a job, I need a job, I am fit and I can work now. I can work free for a trial if it is the job that I want to do. Please give me a chance. Prove this is a real job not a scam collecting personal details.
I did not give any mobile number just wanted a response via email. No responses. Ever. To apply for thousands of jobs of jobs for jobs that anyone can do is hard to accept.

Would it make you happy to work amongst others after such a long time of social detachment,are you sure you can handle that?

It has been 10+ years since I held a job and it has been 10 years since I graduated with an accounting degree. I doubt I will be able to handle working with others or heaven forbid dealing with management or with customers. Small issues that so many people will dismiss can set me off on a  downward spiral. 



Many businesses want 2 or 3 years experience in any job + reference checks. I do not have the experience. It is catch-22 of need a job with experience to get another job. When you have no experience and then it is very hard to find any job.
I am on the disabled pension, not the dole. There is a big difference. I would only want to do a job that is flexible and I turn up when I feel like it. Volunteering may be my best option.



Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Would it make you happy to work amongst others after such a long time of social detachment,are you sure you can handle that?

It has been 10+ years since I held a job and it has been 10 years since I graduated with an accounting degree. I doubt I will be able to handle working with others or heaven forbid dealing with management or with customers. Small issues that so many people will dismiss can set me off on a  downward spiral. 

Alright but this is something to begin with,lets stop the focus on getting a job and try to make a lightly social contact a step further than this forum.

Getting a job should be of no concern for you atm but practicing interaction with people should be and if you do it enough you might be getting a bit more skilled in it even while the stress stays the same(because hey us autist will always get stress from it;) ) so that after a good amount of time you can muster enough confidence to go look for a job while throwing yourself into the needed social interaction,will still be a lot of stress but it might become doable.