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Regarding the polls, there are serious issues regarding people no longer having land-lines anymore. This includes not hitting the entire population, as well as area codes no longer definitively indicating where somebody lives (as many people purchase a cell phone in one area, but move somewhere else).

Also, while the liberals seem to absolutely hate Trump, this has only fueled the exact same people that voted for him in the first place to want to vote for him yet again. There are a LOT of new concepts being pushed by virtually every single liberal candidate (Healthcare for all, guaranteed minimum income, government funded savings account for minors).

I'm by no means representative of the whole population, but I can clearly state, I didn't vote for either Trump or Clinton in the first election, but I will absolutely be voting for Trump in the next. This is specifically because of the proposed policies by all of the liberal candidates, and has absolutely nothing to do with Trump's capabilities. They are just simply too far left for my liking (and more than I've ever thought before, REALLY come off as attempts to just buy as many votes as possible).

Finally, if the economy keeps pumping along like it currently is, it is very difficult for people to vote against this. People tend to be very straightforward when it comes to their opinion of the economy, and they often attribute a good or bad economy to the president. While these same people may disagree with certain legislation being put in place, etc, the economy still tends to be the most important factor, which mutes the effect of this unwanted legislation.



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
TallSilhouette said:

EMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIILLLLLLLSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How come no republican sings "Lock her up" for Ivanka while she did the exact same thing as Clinton did? Hmmm...

Because it doesn't support their agenda. That people don't all see how bad every politicians double standards are is rather absurd.



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Baalzamon said:
Regarding the polls, there are serious issues regarding people no longer having land-lines anymore. This includes not hitting the entire population, as well as area codes no longer definitively indicating where somebody lives (as many people purchase a cell phone in one area, but move somewhere else).

Also, while the liberals seem to absolutely hate Trump, this has only fueled the exact same people that voted for him in the first place to want to vote for him yet again. There are a LOT of new concepts being pushed by virtually every single liberal candidate (Healthcare for all, guaranteed minimum income, government funded savings account for minors).

I'm by no means representative of the whole population, but I can clearly state, I didn't vote for either Trump or Clinton in the first election, but I will absolutely be voting for Trump in the next. This is specifically because of the proposed policies by all of the liberal candidates, and has absolutely nothing to do with Trump's capabilities. They are just simply too far left for my liking (and more than I've ever thought before, REALLY come off as attempts to just buy as many votes as possible).

Finally, if the economy keeps pumping along like it currently is, it is very difficult for people to vote against this. People tend to be very straightforward when it comes to their opinion of the economy, and they often attribute a good or bad economy to the president. While these same people may disagree with certain legislation being put in place, etc, the economy still tends to be the most important factor, which mutes the effect of this unwanted legislation.

Also same as before, supporters of Trump as silent as many know that they will be ostracized by others for liking Trump. Heck, you could get attacked for simply not hating Trump, let alone liking him.



irstupid said:
Baalzamon said:
Regarding the polls, there are serious issues regarding people no longer having land-lines anymore. This includes not hitting the entire population, as well as area codes no longer definitively indicating where somebody lives (as many people purchase a cell phone in one area, but move somewhere else).

Also, while the liberals seem to absolutely hate Trump, this has only fueled the exact same people that voted for him in the first place to want to vote for him yet again. There are a LOT of new concepts being pushed by virtually every single liberal candidate (Healthcare for all, guaranteed minimum income, government funded savings account for minors).

I'm by no means representative of the whole population, but I can clearly state, I didn't vote for either Trump or Clinton in the first election, but I will absolutely be voting for Trump in the next. This is specifically because of the proposed policies by all of the liberal candidates, and has absolutely nothing to do with Trump's capabilities. They are just simply too far left for my liking (and more than I've ever thought before, REALLY come off as attempts to just buy as many votes as possible).

Finally, if the economy keeps pumping along like it currently is, it is very difficult for people to vote against this. People tend to be very straightforward when it comes to their opinion of the economy, and they often attribute a good or bad economy to the president. While these same people may disagree with certain legislation being put in place, etc, the economy still tends to be the most important factor, which mutes the effect of this unwanted legislation.

Also same as before, supporters of Trump as silent as many know that they will be ostracized by others for liking Trump. Heck, you could get attacked for simply not hating Trump, let alone liking him.

The guy you responded to did not seem to make his decision on liking Trump but instead of not liking what the Dems candidates policies are.  Personally, I would still wonder why anyone would like Trump but thats on the personal level.  As for policies, I actually do not have any issues with the policies Trump takes on because I believe they are all legit.  My problem has been with execution.

In the end, you can like whoever you want but if you feel you need to be silent about your selection then you need to look more within.  I have plenty of friends who voted for Trump.  Some will still vote for him others may not, still to early to tell until we find out who the opposite candidate is.



Machiavellian said:
irstupid said:

Also same as before, supporters of Trump as silent as many know that they will be ostracized by others for liking Trump. Heck, you could get attacked for simply not hating Trump, let alone liking him.

The guy you responded to did not seem to make his decision on liking Trump but instead of not liking what the Dems candidates policies are.  Personally, I would still wonder why anyone would like Trump but thats on the personal level.  As for policies, I actually do not have any issues with the policies Trump takes on because I believe they are all legit.  My problem has been with execution.

In the end, you can like whoever you want but if you feel you need to be silent about your selection then you need to look more within.  I have plenty of friends who voted for Trump.  Some will still vote for him others may not, still to early to tell until we find out who the opposite candidate is.

My point was that polls may not be reliable due to people being afraid to say who they would vote for in fear of being attacked physically, emotionally, financially, ect for even suggesting they may vote for Trump. Their reasons for voting for him does not matter. 

How often do you see things like people wanting to Dox someone, boycott their business, get them fired, ect for doing something that is even Pro-America or Christian these days, let alone Pro-Trump. 

Thus why polls are not a reliable source as you have a portion of the country scared to speak out. They do their speaking at the actual polls.



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the-pi-guy said:
irstupid said:

My point was that polls may not be reliable due to people being afraid to say who they would vote for in fear of being attacked physically, emotionally, financially, ect for even suggesting they may vote for Trump. Their reasons for voting for him does not matter. 

How often do you see things like people wanting to Dox someone, boycott their business, get them fired, ect for doing something that is even Pro-America or Christian these days, let alone Pro-Trump. 

Thus why polls are not a reliable source as you have a portion of the country scared to speak out. They do their speaking at the actual polls.

Except the polls weren't inaccurate.  

You keep saying that.

I would call something inaccurate if 99% of the people reading the polls all came to the wrong conclusion. 

What makes you believe their interpretations of the polls now are correct this time. 



Baalzamon said:
Regarding the polls, there are serious issues regarding people no longer having land-lines anymore. This includes not hitting the entire population, as well as area codes no longer definitively indicating where somebody lives (as many people purchase a cell phone in one area, but move somewhere else).

Also, while the liberals seem to absolutely hate Trump, this has only fueled the exact same people that voted for him in the first place to want to vote for him yet again. There are a LOT of new concepts being pushed by virtually every single liberal candidate (Healthcare for all, guaranteed minimum income, government funded savings account for minors).

I'm by no means representative of the whole population, but I can clearly state, I didn't vote for either Trump or Clinton in the first election, but I will absolutely be voting for Trump in the next. This is specifically because of the proposed policies by all of the liberal candidates, and has absolutely nothing to do with Trump's capabilities. They are just simply too far left for my liking (and more than I've ever thought before, REALLY come off as attempts to just buy as many votes as possible).

Finally, if the economy keeps pumping along like it currently is, it is very difficult for people to vote against this. People tend to be very straightforward when it comes to their opinion of the economy, and they often attribute a good or bad economy to the president. While these same people may disagree with certain legislation being put in place, etc, the economy still tends to be the most important factor, which mutes the effect of this unwanted legislation.

2016 polls actually weren't that wrong. They stated that Hillary would win the public vote, and that she did. She lost 3 states by less than 1% that, had she won those, would have meant that Hillary would be president, and the polls were competitive in these states. It's just that everyone was looking at the total number and didn't realize that it doesn't matter due to winner-takes-all.

It's also not just the liberals who hate Trump. While many mostly keep quiet due to their party being in power, he is not loved by moderate Republicans at all. Also, most independents are fiercely against Trump. Btw,  calling Healthcare or a guaranteed minimum income new concepts would be like calling the PS4 the first gaming console. These are far from new, even in the US. And virtually every other developed nation has these for many decades now.

As for the economy, it's fueled on the massive debt Trump is taking - and even that just keeps it barely up there. A no-deal Brexit alone could be disruptive enough for the world economy to cause a recession before the election.



irstupid said:
Machiavellian said:

The guy you responded to did not seem to make his decision on liking Trump but instead of not liking what the Dems candidates policies are.  Personally, I would still wonder why anyone would like Trump but thats on the personal level.  As for policies, I actually do not have any issues with the policies Trump takes on because I believe they are all legit.  My problem has been with execution.

In the end, you can like whoever you want but if you feel you need to be silent about your selection then you need to look more within.  I have plenty of friends who voted for Trump.  Some will still vote for him others may not, still to early to tell until we find out who the opposite candidate is.

My point was that polls may not be reliable due to people being afraid to say who they would vote for in fear of being attacked physically, emotionally, financially, ect for even suggesting they may vote for Trump. Their reasons for voting for him does not matter. 

How often do you see things like people wanting to Dox someone, boycott their business, get them fired, ect for doing something that is even Pro-America or Christian these days, let alone Pro-Trump. 

Thus why polls are not a reliable source as you have a portion of the country scared to speak out. They do their speaking at the actual polls.

I have to agree with the-pi-guy, the polls were not inaccurate.  They had Trump well within the margin of error.  Also on the electoral college level, the states Trump won were really close.  The things about polls is that they are anonymous so people have no real issue being afraid to say who they are going to vote for unlike stating it on Facebook or social media.  



Machiavellian said:
irstupid said:

My point was that polls may not be reliable due to people being afraid to say who they would vote for in fear of being attacked physically, emotionally, financially, ect for even suggesting they may vote for Trump. Their reasons for voting for him does not matter. 

How often do you see things like people wanting to Dox someone, boycott their business, get them fired, ect for doing something that is even Pro-America or Christian these days, let alone Pro-Trump. 

Thus why polls are not a reliable source as you have a portion of the country scared to speak out. They do their speaking at the actual polls.

I have to agree with the-pi-guy, the polls were not inaccurate.  They had Trump well within the margin of error.  Also on the electoral college level, the states Trump won were really close.  The things about polls is that they are anonymous so people have no real issue being afraid to say who they are going to vote for unlike stating it on Facebook or social media.  

The problem is not whether polls are anonymous or not, but whether you are getting the full demographics to do them. 

Let's ask some simple questions:

There is a group of voters that are wary and suspicious of polls and the government power. They would not want to do a poll for that reason. Who do you suppose those people likely voted for?

How about white collar vs blue collar. Which group is more likely to fill out an online poll? 

Margin of error was BS. I was watching the results that night. There were states that had Clinton in the polls winning by 15 points or some junk that she ends up losing or barely wining. No margin of error is that wide. 

There are hundreds of articles about how the polls were wrong. The only reason they are touting polls are correct now is because they realize their job depends on people believing their polls/analysis of the polls. 



As far as polls go today I believe they mean nothing. A lot can happen between now and election time and no polling this far out will have any true projections. I would definitely say that Trump still has the advantage because he is a sitting President and there really isn't any outstanding issue preventing his chances for reelection. The key will be who is his opposite and how the Dems and GOP develop their message during the coming elections.