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jason1637 said:
Machiavellian said:

MOB Rules.  Even thought this is some world class BS, did Mr. Ngo take one for the team.  The reason I am saying this is after reading up on Mr. Ngo, it would seem he isn't all that much of an innocent participant to this conflict.  It seems he has been very vocal concerning Antifa.  Its almost as if he played up this situation for months before dropping himself in the middle of a protest which I am sure he knew was dangerous.  The Antifa organizer mentioned him by name before the event and Mr. Ngo had written on social media that he was worried but still marched in their like a soldier. 

I am guessing he got what he wanted.  The crowd acted in violence, he was then able to publized the whole violent event and the conservatives went up and arms demanding federal investigations, impeachment of the Democratic Mayor, you name it.

It seems strange that after Mr. Ngo would say the things he has said concerning the group, he would march right in the middle of them expecting hugs an kisses.  

Antifa were the ones that came to the HimToo march to cause trouble. Ngo was live streaming the march. Even if he did antagonize online they shouldn't be attacking someone that hasnt laid a hand on them. The antifa guys also attacked some officers after but they are in police custody right now.

Its not that Antifa came to the march to cause trouble, its that Mr. Ngo marched right into the middle of them knowing that they came to cause trouble.  Let's be honest, if a violent group came to disrupt an event and you as a person who has already gone on record giving them hell, called out by their leader and then marched right in the middle of the group, what did he expect to happen.

I highly doubt Mr. Ngo is that naive.  It's not a case of they shouldn't have did this or that, it's the fact that he must have known that something on this level could and would happen but he choose to do it anyway.  He played the game and this was the result.  I believe he got what he was seeking and probably happy it didn't end with a serious injury but then again maybe he was seeking that as well.



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Trump had an interview with Tucker Carlson from Fox. He made good points when it came to the middle east. We should have never went into the middle east and it's time that we pull out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRQW675j6dM



Baalzamon said:
Pemalite said:

I don't think Student loans should be a thing, but that's the Australian in me talking... Education should be a service to benefit a nation rather than a money making business exercise.

In saying that... I left home as a teenager with just the clothes on my back and was a high-school drop out.
Did tertiary college in Information Technology and Network Administration for a few years straight after... But didn't pursue a job in that field, basically did those courses to further my own understanding for my own interests. (Keep in mind this was the 90's before the .com bubble burst!)

Became a Disability/Aged Carer... Then became a Firefighter with no student loans, no degrees or anything silly like that.

I am a strong believer in hard work getting you what you want, rather than driving up debt and spending a percentage of your life in a book, I don't see how such stresses are even remotely beneficial to be honest. Life is short, get out there and enjoy it, plenty of well paid work around... And career options if you work hard enough.
The US might be a bit different though in the opportunities it provides.

But this brings about a very important question regarding education being a service. What level of education? Because there are schools ranging from $6,000 per year (tech schools) to $50,000 per year. The current "crisis" involves people attending a variety of these schools, with many being better/worse in different areas.

So I guess I just ask, how much schooling should be provided for free? Is there a dollar threshold that should be provided for free? If a school is provided for free, does it have to meet certain criteria (reigning in costs, etc)? Will this ultimately just result in these schools being crappy schools?

I'm not even going to pretend to know the answers to these questions, but given the current situation, I think it makes it much more complicated to handle.

Let me compare it to Luxembourg, where we have both public and private schools on all levels except universities (we got only one since the country is pretty small). Their curriculum is identical, they teach exactly the same stuff, and the level of the teachers and teachings are also pretty much the same. The (identical) school books are also provided in both cases. So, what's the advantage of a private school then, you might ask? Well, the private school has some extra options:

  1. Extra tutoring with specific teachers (may cost some extra if overused).
  2. (Often, but not always) better food in the cantina.
  3. Special options for sportsmen who would have to train and/or be on competitions while they would normally be supposed to be at school (Only applies to private schools with a specific sports section).
  4. Dorms. Due to small size of the country, students go normally home after school, thus public schools have no dorms. But kids of parents who have to travel a lot for work purposes often choose a private school for that exact reason
  5. Religious education: There's one private catholic lyceum which additionally to the curriculum has bible teachings similar to Sunday school.

If you need or are looking specifically for any of these points, then a private school would be interesting in Luxembourg. If not, you can just as well go to public schools.

Last edited by Bofferbrauer2 - on 02 July 2019

Bofferbrauer2 said:
Baalzamon said:

But this brings about a very important question regarding education being a service. What level of education? Because there are schools ranging from $6,000 per year (tech schools) to $50,000 per year. The current "crisis" involves people attending a variety of these schools, with many being better/worse in different areas.

So I guess I just ask, how much schooling should be provided for free? Is there a dollar threshold that should be provided for free? If a school is provided for free, does it have to meet certain criteria (reigning in costs, etc)? Will this ultimately just result in these schools being crappy schools?

I'm not even going to pretend to know the answers to these questions, but given the current situation, I think it makes it much more complicated to handle.

Let me compare it to Luxembourg, where we have both public and private schools on all levels except universities (we got only one since the country is pretty small). Their curriculum is identical, they teach exactly the same stuff, and the level of the teachers and teachings are also pretty much the same. The (identical) school books are also provided in both cases. So, what's the advantage of a private school then, you might ask? Well, the private school has some extra options:

  1. Extra tutoring with specific teachers (may cost some extra if overused).
  2. (Often, but not always) better food in the cantina.
  3. Special options for sportsmen who would have to train and/or be on competitions while they would normally be supposed to be at school (Only applies to private schools with a specific sports section).
  4. Dorms. Due to small size of the country, students go normally home after school, thus public schools have no dorms. But kids of parents who have to travel a lot for work purposes often choose a private school for that exact reason
  5. Religious education: There's one private catholic lyceum which additionally to the curriculum has bible teachings similar to Sunday school.

If you need or are looking specifically for any of these points, then a private school would be interesting in Luxembourg. If not, you can just as well go to public schools.

So I must ask, what do you define as a University? Virtually all of our colleges here are labeled "University of Blankity blank".

I'm asking because I'm genuinely curious if the "free" schooling people receive in other countries is vastly different from what many want to be free here.



Money can't buy happiness. Just video games, which make me happy.

Baalzamon said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Let me compare it to Luxembourg, where we have both public and private schools on all levels except universities (we got only one since the country is pretty small). Their curriculum is identical, they teach exactly the same stuff, and the level of the teachers and teachings are also pretty much the same. The (identical) school books are also provided in both cases. So, what's the advantage of a private school then, you might ask? Well, the private school has some extra options:

  1. Extra tutoring with specific teachers (may cost some extra if overused).
  2. (Often, but not always) better food in the cantina.
  3. Special options for sportsmen who would have to train and/or be on competitions while they would normally be supposed to be at school (Only applies to private schools with a specific sports section).
  4. Dorms. Due to small size of the country, students go normally home after school, thus public schools have no dorms. But kids of parents who have to travel a lot for work purposes often choose a private school for that exact reason
  5. Religious education: There's one private catholic lyceum which additionally to the curriculum has bible teachings similar to Sunday school.

If you need or are looking specifically for any of these points, then a private school would be interesting in Luxembourg. If not, you can just as well go to public schools.

So I must ask, what do you define as a University? Virtually all of our colleges here are labeled "University of Blankity blank".

I'm asking because I'm genuinely curious if the "free" schooling people receive in other countries is vastly different from what many want to be free here.

Oh,outside of the US universities are the schools for the highest grades and standing above colleges.



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That is extremely helpful. Yes, College/University that people want for free here is generally from age 19-23ish. It is to get degrees in topics such as Nursing, Accounting, Mathematics, etc.

Many fields require either additional certifications or even higher levels of schooling (masters or PhD).



Money can't buy happiness. Just video games, which make me happy.

RolStoppable said:
Machiavellian said:

Its not that Antifa came to the march to cause trouble, its that Mr. Ngo marched right into the middle of them knowing that they came to cause trouble.  Let's be honest, if a violent group came to disrupt an event and you as a person who has already gone on record giving them hell, called out by their leader and then marched right in the middle of the group, what did he expect to happen.

I highly doubt Mr. Ngo is that naive.  It's not a case of they shouldn't have did this or that, it's the fact that he must have known that something on this level could and would happen but he choose to do it anyway.  He played the game and this was the result.  I believe he got what he was seeking and probably happy it didn't end with a serious injury but then again maybe he was seeking that as well.

Maybe Ngo is just a fan of the Die Hard movies? Bruce Willis went to Harlem while wearing a sign that had "I hate niggers" written on it.

I give Mr. Ngo props.  He went into the lion den like a soldier knowing full well sh*t could jump off and took one for the team.  If you are going to talk about how violent Antifa is, going into the group and presenting yourself like the lamb before the slaughter is one way to prove your point. 



CaptainExplosion said:
RolStoppable said:

Not sure how you come to the conclusion of fascism. Trump is a con-artist, so a military parade is a great tool to appease patriots and make them believe how great America is, because the country has such a powerful and well-equipped army. Of course that costs money and that money could be used for much more useful things, but the greatness of America has its price.

He's displaying military might in a time of crisis, as if inviting America's enemies to war, so even if that doesn't count as fascism it's still alarming.

The 4th of July is a time of crisis?



Machiavellian said:
RolStoppable said:

Maybe Ngo is just a fan of the Die Hard movies? Bruce Willis went to Harlem while wearing a sign that had "I hate niggers" written on it.

I give Mr. Ngo props.  He went into the lion den like a soldier knowing full well sh*t could jump off and took one for the team.  If you are going to talk about how violent Antifa is, going into the group and presenting yourself like the lamb before the slaughter is one way to prove your point. 

I mentioned this earlier but Antifa came to him not the other way around. It was a right wing protest.



RolStoppable said:
CaptainExplosion said:

Here's what Trump wants for the 4th of July in Washington.

Essentially more proof he's a fascist.

This orange Nazi sociopath is gonna get us all killed. -_-

Not sure how you come to the conclusion of fascism. Trump is a con-artist, so a military parade is a great tool to appease patriots and make them believe how great America is, because the country has such a powerful and well-equipped army. Of course that costs money and that money could be used for much more useful things, but the greatness of America has its price.

Yes, nothing exemplify America then having nice big machinery with large guns on them.