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NightlyPoe said:
forest-spirit said:

Some comedy gold from our friend Ben Shapiro.

And also a great example of how I like interviewers to handle political figures.

Eh, I generally hate these types of interviews where it's just going over old quotes and trying to make people look bad.  No one gets any more information out of it.  Was there anything gained by trying to undercut a person's message that political anger is a bad thing by the old "hypocrite" cry?

In general, I'm just tired of the whole "owned" culture we've got.

Pointing out that Ben Shapiro himself has contributed to this problem is not undercutting the message, and it would be terrible journalism to ignore those examples. If Ben Sharpiro looks bad here he himself and the way he handled the interview is to blame.

I too dislike "x got DESTROYED" headlines, which is part of why I posted the original interview and not one of the reaction videos.



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o_O.Q said:

"I don't believe that "incompatible cultures" exist.  People are individuals, and they tend to morph into the dominant culture.  "

this is a non-sequitur, people being individuals and adopting a new culture is unrelated to cultures in some instances being incompatible

you aren't acknowledging that sometimes people choose to retain their culture in spite of their environment

and you don't think cultures that for example repress the freedoms of women or collect the heads of outsiders they come into contact with are incompatible with western culture?

>repress the freedoms of women

There are Americans who want the exact thing.  So no that doesn't seem to be at odds with western culture.

>collect the heads of outsiders

If such a culture existed, sure.  That would be incompatible, but if someone had such a staunch hatred of outsiders, chances don't seem too good that they'd move somewhere else.  

o_O.Q said:

""Spending more" is meaningless.  "

well the only other way would be to stop your government from intruding in the affairs of others and how are you going to do that when you want the size of your government to increase?

never mind that with regards to that issue the ship has already sailed

My commentary there has no regard to "big" or "small" government.  

o_O.Q said:

"I don't disagree, but that's not just a product of "big government"."

it is inevitable with big government that has a security apparatus that is not transparent and unaccountable to citizens which has been the case with just about every big government throughout the history of mankind and for some unfathomable reason many people do not seem to understand that

"It is inevitable" is a slippery slope fallacy.  Just because there's a path from A to B, doesn't mean that it has to be taken.  

"security apparatus" is moreso something that "small government" people push forward.  And I agree with you that "small government" people aren't actually for small government.  But I find that to be a majority.

Most "small government" people here want a big government because they want it to keep them safe.  A militarized border, a large military, strong police force are things being pushed by "small government" advocates.  

You can have a big government that has to be accountable to its people.

o_O.Q said:

"But if someone were at the point where they are choosing to die"

so if there is a risk of death the borders should be open?

Sure.



Prediction: Larry Kudlow will be the next person to leave the Trump Administration. So Larry went on Fox news of all places and had a talk with Chris Wallace concerning Trump's Tariffs. Its not uncommon for Larry to support Trump and his lies but even he could not support the current lie where Trump is stating that China is paying in actual money to the US Treasury for the tariffs. Trump of course could not let that go so he had to tweet today doubling down on that lie as he so often do and I am sure just about anyone who has followed the President knew he would.

I am more surprised that Larry would go against his boss but then again even he doesn't want to be considered a complete idiot trying to support that dumb lie.

I have to wonder, just how stupid Trump believes his base to be. There is only 2 ways to really look at it. Either Trump knows he is lying and chooses to throw out such a stupid lie or he really is that stupid (Which is what I believe) and he believes his lie. I wonder how many times he has been told what he is tweeting is wrong and how many times he has ignored it.



Machiavellian said:
Prediction: Larry Kudlow will be the next person to leave the Trump Administration. So Larry went on Fox news of all places and had a talk with Chris Wallace concerning Trump's Tariffs. Its not uncommon for Larry to support Trump and his lies but even he could not support the current lie where Trump is stating that China is paying in actual money to the US Treasury for the tariffs. Trump of course could not let that go so he had to tweet today doubling down on that lie as he so often do and I am sure just about anyone who has followed the President knew he would.

I am more surprised that Larry would go against his boss but then again even he doesn't want to be considered a complete idiot trying to support that dumb lie.

I have to wonder, just how stupid Trump believes his base to be. There is only 2 ways to really look at it. Either Trump knows he is lying and chooses to throw out such a stupid lie or he really is that stupid (Which is what I believe) and he believes his lie. I wonder how many times he has been told what he is tweeting is wrong and how many times he has ignored it.

Or maybe, you know, Trump is right?



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RolStoppable said:
Machiavellian said:
Prediction: Larry Kudlow will be the next person to leave the Trump Administration. So Larry went on Fox news of all places and had a talk with Chris Wallace concerning Trump's Tariffs. Its not uncommon for Larry to support Trump and his lies but even he could not support the current lie where Trump is stating that China is paying in actual money to the US Treasury for the tariffs. Trump of course could not let that go so he had to tweet today doubling down on that lie as he so often do and I am sure just about anyone who has followed the President knew he would.

I am more surprised that Larry would go against his boss but then again even he doesn't want to be considered a complete idiot trying to support that dumb lie.

I have to wonder, just how stupid Trump believes his base to be. There is only 2 ways to really look at it. Either Trump knows he is lying and chooses to throw out such a stupid lie or he really is that stupid (Which is what I believe) and he believes his lie. I wonder how many times he has been told what he is tweeting is wrong and how many times he has ignored it.

Or maybe, you know, Trump is right?

I never thought of that.  I mean his own guy you know the one who actually has experience in this area did not support him and every other economic person this side of the world also does not support Trump.  I guess there is a possibility that the only person in this world who understand how tariffs work is Trump and everyone else is wrong.



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the-pi-guy said:
EricHiggin said:

The interviewer most certainly was using underhanded tactics and clearly thought out the questions and the order in which to ask them, to slowly build up to a climax. You can see it in Ben's face and body language as it goes on. The questions become more and more personal and while he wants to do the right thing by keeping calm, cool and staying focused, he instead get's wound up and doesn't handle it well, being in too deep at that point. Going after Ben for something he's taken the time to reflect on and admit he was incorrect or stupid etc, while publicly posting it so he doesn't have to waste time dealing with it in the future, is something that would surely irk him, which is where he seemed to finally draw the line.

I will say I have to give the interviewer and whoever made and laid out the questions props because they did so very elegantly, from a political point of view, even though it wasn't exactly done in good faith. Another interview with this guy and I think Ben will easily redeem himself without having to stoop to their level.

What do you mean from a "political point of view"?

Well in politics, today anyway, the point is typically to 'destroy' your opponent to make yourself seem more worthy to the people. The interviewer executed this quite well and whether or not you think he 'destroyed' Ben, he most certainly made him look bad. Ben made some decent points as well, but overall the interview did not end if his favor. It's not a big deal because nobody is perfect and it's actually good to get knocked down a peg here and there because it keeps you sharp. 



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forest-spirit said:
NightlyPoe said:

Eh, I generally hate these types of interviews where it's just going over old quotes and trying to make people look bad.  No one gets any more information out of it.  Was there anything gained by trying to undercut a person's message that political anger is a bad thing by the old "hypocrite" cry?

In general, I'm just tired of the whole "owned" culture we've got.

Pointing out that Ben Shapiro himself has contributed to this problem is not undercutting the message, and it would be terrible journalism to ignore those examples. If Ben Sharpiro looks bad here he himself and the way he handled the interview is to blame.

I too dislike "x got DESTROYED" headlines, which is part of why I posted the original interview and not one of the reaction videos.

However, in this case Ben Shapiro has owned up to his own misbehavior.  If this were an interview interested in moving the ball forward, they'd follow along the lines of trying to live up to his message.  That's how dialogue happens.

Instead it was just another gotcha quote following it up.  Honestly, the prep work for the interview probably just came from a dumping ground of quotes compiled by Media Matters or something.



NightlyPoe said:
forest-spirit said:

Pointing out that Ben Shapiro himself has contributed to this problem is not undercutting the message, and it would be terrible journalism to ignore those examples. If Ben Sharpiro looks bad here he himself and the way he handled the interview is to blame.

I too dislike "x got DESTROYED" headlines, which is part of why I posted the original interview and not one of the reaction videos.

However, in this case Ben Shapiro has owned up to his own misbehavior.  If this were an interview interested in moving the ball forward, they'd follow along the lines of trying to live up to his message.  That's how dialogue happens.

Instead it was just another gotcha quote following it up.  Honestly, the prep work for the interview probably just came from a dumping ground of quotes compiled by Media Matters or something.

I just listened to this interview and no Ben did not own up to his misbehavior.  The thing is when you say and do dumb crap in the past, you have to be ready to admit it and move on.  Instead every response was this arrogant "Even when I say dumb stuff I am still right" kind of mentality.  He didn't want to answer the question and instead just became argumentative. 

So Ben wrote a book about a problem he himself championed during the years and he couldn't be even a bit humble enough to suggest that maybe how he went about such things was wrong and he has moved on.  If anything by watching how he handled himself during the interview, I would say nothing has changed with Ben as he continued to try to defend some of those old quotes even when he knew they were bad.



Machiavellian said:
NightlyPoe said:

However, in this case Ben Shapiro has owned up to his own misbehavior.  If this were an interview interested in moving the ball forward, they'd follow along the lines of trying to live up to his message.  That's how dialogue happens.

Instead it was just another gotcha quote following it up.  Honestly, the prep work for the interview probably just came from a dumping ground of quotes compiled by Media Matters or something.

I just listened to this interview and no Ben did not own up to his misbehavior.  The thing is when you say and do dumb crap in the past, you have to be ready to admit it and move on.  Instead every response was this arrogant "Even when I say dumb stuff I am still right" kind of mentality.  He didn't want to answer the question and instead just became argumentative. 

So Ben wrote a book about a problem he himself championed during the years and he couldn't be even a bit humble enough to suggest that maybe how he went about such things was wrong and he has moved on.  If anything by watching how he handled himself during the interview, I would say nothing has changed with Ben as he continued to try to defend some of those old quotes even when he knew they were bad.

Not all of them were bad.  A lot legit have explanations.  That also has to be understood.  Sometimes an outrage isn't really an outrage.  We are living in a time of internet outrage over half-quotes and it really should be okay to push back against those cases.  However, he has owned up to several quotes that he considers wrong and said as much in this interview.

I suspect Shaprio wishes he had this one back, but that doesn't mean that the interview was conducted professionally.



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