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jason1637 said:
CaptainExplosion said:

Trump's goons just deported an American citizen, with 0 criminal record, after detaining him and forcing him to eat pork because they knew he was Muslim, just because they could.

The guy wasn't a US citizen but he was a legal immigrant so this situation is still fucked. But still I doubt anyone higher up in the admin knew about this specific situation. This was probably handled by the officers in the immigration center he stayed at.

Still, the fact that such a thing is even possible to happen is just disgusting. I'm pretty sure they will get out scot-free, while in most countries in Europe, they would have been fired on the spot and face legal troubles for their discriminal behaviors.



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CaptainExplosion said:

Trump's goons just deported an American citizen, with 0 criminal record, after detaining him and forcing him to eat pork because they knew he was Muslim, just because they could.

Those bastards need to loose their jobs asap 



the-pi-guy said:
EricHiggin said:

If I died protecting my family from someone looking to do them harm, and I could be brought back from purgatory years later, only to find the criminal found a loophole or was given an extremely weak sentence, especially if he got back out and ended up harming my family, I'd be beyond pissed. I'd haunt that criminal, judge, and lawyer until they all ended up in the mental institute. Now if I was brought back and that judge or some authority was bragging about how I saved my family and that POS would be behind bars for decades yet and that my family was safe and sound and doing well, even if he was by chance banging my wife and taking care of my kids, I'd finally be able to move on and go in peace. I'd maybe haunt him for a night or two just to mess with him, but then I'd be good. lol

I don't particularly see any major parallels with this story and the examples that were given.  

EricHiggin said:

Trump bragging about how great the country they died for is in good taste, even if it happens to be in his favor. It's not like it's anything new. 

Taste is subjective.  I would have taken it to be in better taste, if he at least dedicated a full tweet to the people that died for this country.  

The bothersome part for me is that Obama got hit on for less.

EricHiggin said:

With every agenda fitting gun incident, it doesn't take long after the hopes and prayers before the Dems start getting into weapon restriction politics. Both sides rarely let an opportunity go to waste, no matter how the opposition may feel about it.

it's almost like after a shooting is the perfect time to talk about preventing more shootings. 

When is the right time to talk about fallen soldiers, the economy, or jobs?

SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

1. Let's all agree on what is and isn't Presidential or politically correct, and then name everything every President has ever done that's 'wrong'. What a short list that will be for each...

2. So why do we only hear about it during gun incidents and not consistently? If nothing get's done about it, then how are they preventing further incidents?

3. You mean like coming together and celebrating the death of Christ or any prophet or savior? Man those religious people are terrible. No wonder why they vote for him...

4. I agree, Obama or Hillary were way more qualified. Just look at how often they used the military. Lucky ISIS just gave up when Trump showed up...

5. It's unfortunate you feel that way, but how large is the military and who speaks for them?

6. No more nuking makes me feel pretty happy.

1). So you're OK with him stroking his ego while insulting the fallen soldiers of the very armed forces he is elected to lead? You're OK with a leader that is ignorant of protocols, decorum, procedure, propriety, operations and standards for the function he leads?

2). Uh, we do hear it constantly.  You just don't watch, read or listen to the news or editorials that lend to such discussions. Besides, when you have what amounts to a mass shooting practically every week...that's a pretty constant discussion.  And I say discussion in the loosest terms given the right has no interest whatsoever in said discussion.

3). You might want to talk to a Catholic or Muslim.  They do mourn their solemn holidays.  That said, the methods of observation for one group regarding their ceremonial institutions and special days are not directly equitable in methods of observation for other groups. By the way, Good Friday and Passover are not generally a 'celebrated' day.  You don't say, "Happy Good Friday" do you (I really hope not)?  Hang on....were you thinking of Easter?  The celebration of Jesus resurrection and rising from the grave?

All that aside, the observance of Memorial Day has always been one of solemnity, introspection, sacrifice, and sorrow.  In fact, by law, we are supposed to pause at 3 PM for 1 minute in silent observation.

4). You know ISIS isn't defeated, right?  I hope you didn't believe Trump when he made that claim. Even his own national security advisor, John Bolton, has had to admit they are not defeated. How did Yemen turnout, by the way?  And aren't we looking at a war with Iran now?  But that's irrelevant because you are playing the whataboutism game. But Obama this and Clinton that.  Are they president right now?  No.  Aren't you the people that always tell us "He won, get over it"? In other words, accept that Trump is president and deal with it.  Well, I'm dealing with it and calling him out for his bereft qualifications for military leadership.

5). Active duty is about 1.4 million.  A further 800,000 in reserves.  Plus around 21 million veterans. So about 23 million directly connected plus dozens of millions more family.  Who speaks for them requires a multifaceted answer.  One could say Trump himself as he is the Command in Chief. Another answer is the Secretary of Defense, James Mattis.  A 3rd option is the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the senior most military officer in the US, General Joseph Dunford, USMC. The first two are considered civilians and not actually military. And of course you can see each member speaks for themselves. But most who have personally spoken on the issue are not "happy" about it.

6). Well, hell yes that's something to be happy about.  Not sure what M.A.D. has to do with Memorial Day but I'm happy about it to.  So does it worry you any that Trump kept asking his foreign policy experts why we can't just use nukes?

1. He's not insulting them. What about silicon valley? Steve Jobs let's say? What a horrible person who didn't just follow suit and decided to do their own thing in so many different ways. BAD APPLE!

2. We? I don't live in an echo chamber? Preventing future incidents, yet they continue to happen weekly?

3. GOOD Friday? GOOD? If nobody follows the law and nobody enforces it, well...

4. No I'm not. Where did you get that idea? You realize if Trump lost that would by default have made Hillary Prez? Just brush that one off? If neither would be worthy, then you're saying both sides should complain, for the sake of complaining, knowing neither was fit for that part of the position? Complain because reasons?

5. Orange = Bad. Great math lesson.

6. Worries me about as much as the Dems/Left not understanding why they lost, and then blaming everything but the actual reasons why they lost. If only the U.S. Gov had checks and balances...



I think this is at least partially U.S. news, as it involves Trump:

For 1,500 years, sumo wrestling has been done a particular way. Then Trump arrives and all THAT nonsense is out the window!

I especially liked the four foot made-up trophy Trump awarded the victor (whose victory he barely watched), called the "United States President's Cup", which he hopes will continue to be awarded "for many hundreds of years", lol!!



sundin13 said:
Machiavellian said:

Do any of us have a right to life would be my reply. I would also ask what do view as a "right to life".  Have you ever been in a situation where you needed to tell someone to have an abortion of your child because of whatever reason you can think of.  Have you ever lived with that decision if you chose abortion.  I can tell you from experience that I have been there.  I can tell you I did not come to my viewpoint based on some lofty ideals but instead I walked into the fire and came out on the other end.  So when I see your words "right to life", I wonder what experience have you had in such a situation. What experience have you had thinking about the termination of your child and then following through with it.  What experience have you had living with that decision.

I personally cannot think of one reason why any child should not be born and giving a chance to live and carve out their own destiny.  I do not believe we as society should be judge and jury condemning a life to termination because we have the power to do so.  I have the power to come into your home and kill you and by my own self standards I can believe whether or not you have the "right to life" and if the laws give the ability would that still be ok.

So do you have an answer to the question?

I gave you my answer and if you did not like it we can easily end this discussion which I am ok with.



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EricHiggin said:
Machiavellian said:

During the interview the interviewer made several references to Ben book and then challenge Ben on exactly that and Ben got angry.  You forget that once Ben got angry and basically quite the interview there wasn't a chance to go any further.  From what I take is that everyone must treat Ben with kid gloves but never challenge his position like he does all the time.

You seem to love your analogies but in the end all I see is excuses.  None of your analogies plays out to what happen but is just you looking for a way to excuse Ben and how he behaved.  I will give you credit though, if I ever need an excuse for anything wrong that I have done, I will definitely look you up because I am sure you will have a number of them ready.

He makes references to what Ben's said but doesn't seem to make any direct references to the book. Go further? The 'interview' was already over 15 minutes. How long does it take to get to the point? Obviously Ben has all day to sit and be whipped, because who doesn't?

Let's have a party. I'll bring the excuses and you can bring the spin and denial. Better yet, let's record it, post it online, and call it an interview...

How do we know if he would have gotten to any other parts of the book since Ben couldn't take the first few questions. If you are going to be someone who throws around your opinion like an AX then maybe you should also be just as good when confronted on those opinions.  If the expected behaviour is that you get upset and mad then you did not perform to your own level.  The fact you keep defending Ben when even he doesn't defend his attitude himself shows more about you then Ben.

I will keep spinning and denying your opinion and you can continue to be the apologist with the bucket full of excuses.  I am more than happy to record that for you.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEhLmWRcGKE Mueller is having a press conference on the Russia investigation.



Jaicee said:

I think this is at least partially U.S. news, as it involves Trump:

For 1,500 years, sumo wrestling has been done a particular way. Then Trump arrives and all THAT nonsense is out the window!

I especially liked the four foot made-up trophy Trump awarded the victor (whose victory he barely watched), called the "United States President's Cup", which he hopes will continue to be awarded "for many hundreds of years", lol!!

Certificate of.......comemriteration. Oh, you gotta make that trophy more official by having it come with a certificate to properly comemriterate the athlete.

Plus, he's making the English language better by adding words to it.

https://www.google.com/search?q=comemriteration&rlz=1C1NHXL_enCA684CA684&oq=comemriteration&aqs=chrome..69i57.6420j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

That search result will look very different in the coming years.



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."

jason1637 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEhLmWRcGKE Mueller is having a press conference on the Russia investigation.

TLDR.

1. Since the investigation is over Mueller is retiring.

2. He them summerises some of the findings of his report concerning russian interference. The emphasized that the Russians did interfere in the 2016 election.

3.He says that they followed department policy so they did not charge President Trump. He did mention that if he believed that Trump did not commit a crime they would have said so.

4. He said that the report is his testimony and that if he were to speak to congress he would just reedirate what was in the report.



Machiavellian said:
EricHiggin said:

He makes references to what Ben's said but doesn't seem to make any direct references to the book. Go further? The 'interview' was already over 15 minutes. How long does it take to get to the point? Obviously Ben has all day to sit and be whipped, because who doesn't?

Let's have a party. I'll bring the excuses and you can bring the spin and denial. Better yet, let's record it, post it online, and call it an interview...

How do we know if he would have gotten to any other parts of the book since Ben couldn't take the first few questions. If you are going to be someone who throws around your opinion like an AX then maybe you should also be just as good when confronted on those opinions.  If the expected behaviour is that you get upset and mad then you did not perform to your own level.  The fact you keep defending Ben when even he doesn't defend his attitude himself shows more about you then Ben.

I will keep spinning and denying your opinion and you can continue to be the apologist with the bucket full of excuses.  I am more than happy to record that for you.

Well I would know, if he started asking legit questions, and continued to ask legit questions. The interviewer had every chance to focus on the book, but he did anything but. How Ben reacts is his problem, not the interviewers. That's how you should know.

Glad you finally admitted it. It's the first step to curing yourself.