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Immersiveunreality said:
KLXVER said:

Well it may be, but what do you think should happen? These people being detained are not peaceful protesters. The mayors in these places refuses to do anything and tell the local police to back off. Should we just let the cities burn down?

It really does not like they target violent protesters but that they grab those that isolate themself too far away from the big crowd to question them,looks like a failed attempt to catch Antifamembers or gather information about them since Trump called that whole group terrorists and he puts good people in danger doing that.

Fair enough. What should be done instead?



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SpokenTruth said:
KLXVER said:

Well it may be, but what do you think should happen? These people being detained are not peaceful protesters. The mayors in these places refuses to do anything and tell the local police to back off. Should we just let the cities burn down?

Not only are you wrong about who they were abducting but you seem like you are completely ok with this.

No. Just asking questions. I also thought peaceful protest were long gone. Guess Im wrong if they are just grabbing random people.



SpokenTruth said:
KLXVER said:

No. Just asking questions. I also thought peaceful protest were long gone. Guess Im wrong if they are just grabbing random people.

Yes, it's the riots that are long gone.  Out of curiosity, did you watch or read any of the videos/articles we've posted on this subject? 

Watched the video. Just seems like this should be bigger news if its like 1930s nazi Germany.



KLXVER said:
Immersiveunreality said:

It really does not like they target violent protesters but that they grab those that isolate themself too far away from the big crowd to question them,looks like a failed attempt to catch Antifamembers or gather information about them since Trump called that whole group terrorists and he puts good people in danger doing that.

Fair enough. What should be done instead?

Currently nothing that can provoke more anger and distrust and for the president not to target them so openly cause that is seen as being against black lives matter and he at this time need to do what he can to soothe his people,not fuel the fire.

His response to that 75 year old man that got pushed over with great force by 2 officers was disgusting and everyone just walked past him,police in our country would guide such a man to safety while the cops over in the US chase them like hunters chase wild animals.

And all the different mistakes,how they form uneven barriers,how they get upset and lose control,it is just incompetence.



Immersiveunreality said:
KLXVER said:

Fair enough. What should be done instead?

Currently nothing that can provoke more anger and distrust and for the president not to target them so openly cause that is seen as being against black lives matter and he at this time need to do what he can to soothe his people,not fuel the fire.

His response to that 75 year old man that got pushed over with great force by 2 officers was disgusting and everyone just walked past him,police in our country would guide such a man to safety while the cops over in the US chase them like hunters chase wild animals.

And all the different mistakes,how they form uneven barriers,how they get upset and lose control,it is just incompetence.

Well nothing Trump says will make it better. They hate Trump. So he needs to do something. I was just wondering what he could do.



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KLXVER said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Currently nothing that can provoke more anger and distrust and for the president not to target them so openly cause that is seen as being against black lives matter and he at this time need to do what he can to soothe his people,not fuel the fire.

His response to that 75 year old man that got pushed over with great force by 2 officers was disgusting and everyone just walked past him,police in our country would guide such a man to safety while the cops over in the US chase them like hunters chase wild animals.

And all the different mistakes,how they form uneven barriers,how they get upset and lose control,it is just incompetence.

Well nothing Trump says will make it better. They hate Trump. So he needs to do something. I was just wondering what he could do.

I do not think he will risk losing votes,he could do things but unlikely.



Immersiveunreality said:
KLXVER said:

Well nothing Trump says will make it better. They hate Trump. So he needs to do something. I was just wondering what he could do.

I do not think he will risk losing votes,he could do things but unlikely.

I just dont get these mayors and governors. They do nothing. Just watching their own cities being destroyed. Guess its about the fear of not being reelected all around. Sad times.



SpokenTruth said:
KLXVER said:

I just dont get these mayors and governors. They do nothing. Just watching their own cities being destroyed. Guess its about the fear of not being reelected all around. Sad times.

OK, time to back away from the right wing media.  No cities are being destroyed. The worst it got was Minneapolis back in late May and it was largely limited to a 5 mile stretch of 1 street.

Crime is up in places like Chicago and New York. Cops are being assaulted. The people in charge there just talks about defunding the police and blaming Trump. At some point they need to do something. 



KLXVER said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Currently nothing that can provoke more anger and distrust and for the president not to target them so openly cause that is seen as being against black lives matter and he at this time need to do what he can to soothe his people,not fuel the fire.

His response to that 75 year old man that got pushed over with great force by 2 officers was disgusting and everyone just walked past him,police in our country would guide such a man to safety while the cops over in the US chase them like hunters chase wild animals.

And all the different mistakes,how they form uneven barriers,how they get upset and lose control,it is just incompetence.

Well nothing Trump says will make it better. They hate Trump. So he needs to do something. I was just wondering what he could do.

Forcing federal agents to make their names or at very least their agency clear when arresting someone would be a good start to calm things down. There's really no need for this gestapo level of secrecy when detaining your own citizens. 



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SpokenTruth said:
KLXVER said:

Crime is up in places like Chicago and New York. Cops are being assaulted. The people in charge there just talks about defunding the police and blaming Trump. At some point they need to do something. 

OK, let's look at that.  Chicago's murder rate is still within the same range over the past 8 years. It's high but not overly so. I don't have the exact numbers for NYC at the moment so I can't say one way or the other except that it's up. 

That all in mind I have 5 questions for you.

1). What relationship is there between these increases in murders in these 2 cities and the protests?  Are they connected?  Can you prove it?

2). Crime is still way down form the highs of the 1990s.  Did unnamed federal agencies abduct people off the damn streets back then?

3). Have we ever used unnamed federal agencies to abduct people during or after protests?

4). Do you have any idea what is meant by "Defund the Police"?

5). What the hell does the increased crime rate in NYC and Chicago have to do with unnamed federal agencies abducting protestors in Portland?

1. Of course there is. Less police means less protection. Also riots have formed because of these protests. That wouldnt have happened if there were no protests. Nothing against the peaceful protesters. They are great. Im just saying shitty people will take advantage of situations like these.

2. The fact that its way down from the 90s just seem to suggest that the US was way worse back then. Not sure what that has to do with anything.

3. No. Thats why I wanted to learn what the correct procedure is in this case.

4. Take money away from or give less to. Thats what defunding means. If thats not the case, then they should use a more appropriate word. Like "reform". Which is something I am on board with.

5. I just named two places where there is increase in crime, but sure, Portland too.