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Ka-pi96 said:
EnricoPallazzo said:

I still think it is a good system when you have a very large country with huge differencies in population density, but only in this specific case. What I do not know if how they calculate the number of delegates per state. Need to look into it. Also I albsolutely hate when politicians want to change rules because they are losing and unfortunately its always the left or fascist leaders doing it.

One bad thing that NOBODY talks about though is how bullshit the popular vote result is. Since in a lot of states your vote may nome matter (being red in california and ny, being bkue in texas) a lot of people just dont go voting and prefer to stay home. So saying that you won college vote but lost popular vote may not be true if 100% of people knew theur vote would matter

So you think some people's vote should have more weight than others? You're effectively anti-democracy and anti-equality? Noted.

Dafuq, where did I say that? You sound worse than that chanel 4 lady vs Peterson.



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COKTOE said:
vivster said:
It's gonna be a sad election either way. Biden is way worse than Hillary. He's gonna do absolutely nothing about any of the issues that people face today. The country needs nothing less than full on Bernie.

Biden is just another establishment shitbag. Bernie is too good a person to win. It's astounding he made it as far as he did.

Ideally, Trump and Biden have stage lights fall on them during a debate.

Biden could take Bernie as vice president couldn't he?
I would respect that, a opponent for the same party, and at the end of the day, they both get in.



JRPGfan said:
COKTOE said:

Biden is just another establishment shitbag. Bernie is too good a person to win. It's astounding he made it as far as he did.

Ideally, Trump and Biden have stage lights fall on them during a debate.

Biden could take Bernie as vice president couldn't he?
I would respect that, a opponent for the same party, and at the end of the day, they both get in.

He technically could, but he won't. He has already committed to a female VP candidate and possibly the most important thing for a VP for Biden is for them to be at least a bit younger, imo, as his age is one of his biggest weaknesses as a candidate.

That said, as a Bernie voter, I don't really think that Biden is a bad candidate. Certainly not worse than Clinton. Biden has been making a pretty concerted effort to collaborate with Bernie specifically and his platform has been shifted pretty far to the left on numerous issues. If you are a Bernie supporter, I feel it should be a pretty easy transition to vote for Biden in November, especially given the opponent. There is simply no comparing the horribleness of Trump to Biden.



sundin13 said:
EnricoPallazzo said:

I still think it is a good system when you have a very large country with huge differencies in population density, but only in this specific case. What I do not know if how they calculate the number of delegates per state. Need to look into it. Also I albsolutely hate when politicians want to change rules because they are losing and unfortunately its always the left or fascist leaders doing it.

One bad thing that NOBODY talks about though is how bullshit the popular vote result is. Since in a lot of states your vote may nome matter (being red in california and ny, being bkue in texas) a lot of people just dont go voting and prefer to stay home. So saying that you won college vote but lost popular vote may not be true if 100% of people knew theur vote would matter

In America, the left fights for voting equality and a high voter turnout, which is good for them.

On the other hand, the right fights for voting inequality and voter suppression, which is good for them.

Why do you consider the former to be a larger issue?

Because he's clearly on the right. Obviously, he doesn't care about WHAT's right, he cares about what is beneficial for him! 



YukikoAmagi said:
vivster said:

I always thought this was a curious argument. In a country where 95% of politics of any given state are done at the state level what benefit is there actually for the smaller states "to be noticed" by federal politics? What do they actually gain from having a presidential candidate calling them out by name and pretending they're worth something?

Because in reality it's not actually 95%, the federal government through funding and other initiatives (and institutions) has a large role in the running of the individual states.

coolbeans said:
vivster said:

I always thought this was a curious argument. In a country where 95% of politics of any given state are done at the state level what benefit is there actually for the smaller states "to be noticed" by federal politics? What do they actually gain from having a presidential candidate calling them out by name and pretending they're worth something?

That's literally not the case.  Hell, the influence of something like farming subsidies & potentially new Dept. of Agriculture regulations is just one aspect that can directly affect millions in flyover states.

That's not really getting to my point, though.

Do you think the department of agriculture would just ignore smaller states because they have less voting power? The federal government is supposed to consider every state when making decisions and distributing funding. So why would a bit more or less voting power change anything? Especially in a country that is so incredibly partisan that it doesn't matter where you come from but just which party you worship.



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So who is reforming the police yet?

All the brands that have people working in badly conditions or are accepting racism in some countries for that bit more profit showed their ''support'' and are now silent again because heck fuck human rights if it goes against capitalism ,they never really cared that much .
When are the people targetted that can actually make a change,when do you stop voting for dinosaurs that make a fancy speech about black lives matter without any plans to change things or without any planning on HOW to reform the police?
The world is slowly forgetting about it and all the violence in the protest never did good either and without change it is even more sad,the american army always had a bad reputation for the same lack of dicipline,and a part of the police behaves like that but on civilians, it's own civilians they should be protecting.

People cheer for their celebrities and agree with comedians to then just move on.

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SpokenTruth said:
Secret police abducting people in unmarked vans and detaining them for hours with no rights, no lawyers and no records after the fact? We are literally witnessing how the 3rd Reich began in 1933 Germany.

It's very unsettling to say the least.



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SpokenTruth said:
Secret police abducting people in unmarked vans and detaining them for hours with no rights, no lawyers and no records after the fact? We are literally witnessing how the 3rd Reich began in 1933 Germany.

Nah, more like what the SA (aka the Brownshirts) did 1929-1933 with most opponents of the Nazi party, political or otherwise. For instance, in that faithful 1933 election, most socialists and social democrats were locked up by the Nazi's Sturmabteilung so they couldn't even present themselves for the election, leaving only right-wing parties and centrists - and the NSDAP was by far the biggest of the bunch by that time. Easy to win an election if you lock up your opponents...

In other words, we're not quite at the equivalent point of the rise of the third Reich - but we're at the prelude already.

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COKTOE said:
SpokenTruth said:
Secret police abducting people in unmarked vans and detaining them for hours with no rights, no lawyers and no records after the fact? We are literally witnessing how the 3rd Reich began in 1933 Germany.

It's very unsettling to say the least.

Well it may be, but what do you think should happen? These people being detained are not peaceful protesters. The mayors in these places refuses to do anything and tell the local police to back off. Should we just let the cities burn down?



KLXVER said:
COKTOE said:

It's very unsettling to say the least.

Well it may be, but what do you think should happen? These people being detained are not peaceful protesters. The mayors in these places refuses to do anything and tell the local police to back off. Should we just let the cities burn down?

It really does not like they target violent protesters but that they grab those that isolate themself too far away from the big crowd to question them,looks like a failed attempt to catch Antifamembers or gather information about them since Trump called that whole group terrorists and he puts good people in danger doing that.