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TYT claiming that theres now secrete police, that wear no identification, target specific people,
and arrest/kidnap protesters without mentioning their miranda rights or anything (theres a few video clips of this).

Basically theres no way to even if its feds, or not just right wing nuts, dressed up as soldiers potentially kidnapping/tortrueing ect people.
Supposedly these people arn't seen again, and arn't jailed or anywhere in any system, their just gone.

Secrete police makeing illegal arrests?
or ring-wing nutjob "brownshirts" of trump supporters (brownshirts were extreme loyalist to hitler)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suM3QfxBNl8


This is the sorta thing you expect to see in china or russia... not in the US.



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Using Dodge Caravans lol. Someone get these guys a better vehicle.



This is why I love Brandon Tatum. Talk about a man who wants the best for everyone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoG7h1iwOVY



KLXVER said:
This is why I love Brandon Tatum. Talk about a man who wants the best for everyone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoG7h1iwOVY

While I don't agree with every bit of that document, I also don't agree with what this man is saying.

Rugged individualism is an interesting point. First of all, "rugged individualism" as a phrase wasn't used by coincidence in this document. It is a phrase coined by Hoover during the Great Depression to speak about, essentially, governmental power. To quote Hoover:

"We were challenged with a... choice between the American system of rugged individualism and a European philosophy of diametrically opposed doctrines ­ doctrines of paternalism and state socialism."

"The Republican Party [in the years after the war] resolutely turned its face away from these ideas and war practices.... When the Republican Party came into full power it went at once resolutely back to our fundamental conception of the state and the rights and responsibility of the individual."

As such, I personally wouldn't classify this idea of "Rugged Individualism" as white, but instead American as white European countries are "diametrically opposed" to this idea.

Why does this matter?

Well, Rugged Individualism as a concept is interesting because it is essentially a system which structurally supports the status quo. The imposition of "rugged individualism" in American policy is heavily felt on poor communities, because it is a system which opposes welfare and tells people to do it themselves, and that their hard work is all that stands between them and success. As such, this concept is partially at the root of harmful stereotypes for African Americans being "lazy" and not working hard enough to succeed and "welfare queens" and all that. Rugged individual states simply: If you are poor, you are to blame. It then follows that if poverty is more common within a certain racial group, that racial group is to blame, or perhaps there is something inherent...

So then, what system of positive values opposes this concept of "rugged individualism"? Collectivism, and community and working not just for yourself but for your fellow man. By imposing this ideal of "rugged individualism", we devalue other positive values and create a system which does not provide racial justice and enables the trap of poverty.

Again, this isn't to say that self-reliance is strictly "white" or even strictly "American", but instead a means of examining how this value can be harmful, and how it can push back against other positive values. I believe that the man in your video is seeking outrage and those who seek outrage will find it, and he seems to be doing so by reading this admittedly poorly written document in the most uncharitable way, and refusing to honestly engage with it.

EDIT: I'll also add briefly that his outrage is interesting, as it shows that he has internalized these values. If we ask "why do we consider these values positive in the first place" you are led to some interesting answers. Many of these "positive" qualities aren't inherently good, such as basically the entire family section. What makes these "good" qualities is that we have imposed this ideal, not an inherent quality. It is important to understand this fact when condemning other things as "bad". We should understand that some of these "negative" traits are not negative, but simply traits that our culture has labeled as negative, sometimes due to xenophobia or racism. A large part of our culture's history with colonialism can be boiled down to us labeling those who are different from us as "savages" and seeking to impose our culture as a means of salvation. We should acknowledge our own biases in this regard and acknowledge how this mindset and these actions are harmful.

EDIT2: I also find it very interesting how he skips over this family point. He doesn't acknowledge that the document has a point, he just says "How is that whiteness" and moves on. That said, I feel that is a pretty easy question to answer. The traditional European family structure (Father, Mother, two kids, Male breadwinner, Female homemaker) isn't something that is seen universally around the globe. In Asia, it is common to live with multiple adult generations in the same house, which puts a larger emphasis on collective responsibility. This is similar in Africa, where extended families with multiple generations live together. The phrase "it takes a village to raise a child" is actually an African phrase, which speaks to the collective nature of family. In a lot of ways, this idea is interwoven within the idea of "individualism" vs "collectivism" mentioned above.

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sethnintendo said:
Using Dodge Caravans lol. Someone get these guys a better vehicle.

Its a renter, so it cant be traced back to anyone.



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JRPGfan said:
sethnintendo said:
Using Dodge Caravans lol. Someone get these guys a better vehicle.

Its a renter, so it cant be traced back to anyone.

Ah that's actually kind of smart thinking on their part.  Well trump wanted to list antifa as a terrorist organization.

Note to self don't wear all black or might get picked up and shipped off to a CIA torture site in Europe for some enhanced interrogations.



Wonder what the homelessness rate is going to jump to in the upcoming months. People are about to start getting mass evicted. Might start looking like the great depression with hovervilles shacks and tent cities. Guess they will be called trumpvilles or something. Maybe that is his end game. If you are homeless then you can't vote by mail ballot right?

I'm going to early vote in person myself. Although my vote most likely will not count because of winner takes all and I live in Texas. My vote has never counted for major elections. Love how they always say every vote counts. Fucking bullshit if you ask me.



sethnintendo said:
Wonder what the homelessness rate is going to jump to in the upcoming months. People are about to start getting mass evicted. Might start looking like the great depression with hovervilles shacks and tent cities. Guess they will be called trumpvilles or something. Maybe that is his end game. If you are homeless then you can't vote by mail ballot right?

I'm going to early vote in person myself. Although my vote most likely will not count because of winner takes all and I live in Texas. My vote has never counted for major elections. Love how they always say every vote counts. Fucking bullshit if you ask me.

What??? They only count the winning votes in the whole?

That is insane,a broken system and it is far from being decently democratic.



It's gonna be a sad election either way. Biden is way worse than Hillary. He's gonna do absolutely nothing about any of the issues that people face today. The country needs nothing less than full on Bernie.



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Immersiveunreality said:
sethnintendo said:
Wonder what the homelessness rate is going to jump to in the upcoming months. People are about to start getting mass evicted. Might start looking like the great depression with hovervilles shacks and tent cities. Guess they will be called trumpvilles or something. Maybe that is his end game. If you are homeless then you can't vote by mail ballot right?

I'm going to early vote in person myself. Although my vote most likely will not count because of winner takes all and I live in Texas. My vote has never counted for major elections. Love how they always say every vote counts. Fucking bullshit if you ask me.

What??? They only count the winning votes in the whole?

That is insane,a broken system and it is far from being decently democratic.

In winner takes all system the votes of losing parties are caste away and don't count.  Basically the losers go home empty handed and have to wait till next election.