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sundin13 said:
SpokenTruth said:

It's pretty mind blowing that some people want to openly mitigate, disparage, harm, oppress, etc...someone else for simply existing.  I just don't understand that.

Trump seems to think that the only thing you need to do to win over a demographic is to print a shirt proclaiming how much they love you:

Yeah, I'm sure a shirt with a rainbow on it will make up for all of the times you rolled back rights and protections for LGBTQ individuals... Brilliant move.

What move would you want them to take in order to appease you?

A shirt with rainbows on it does not make up for the offense you took, but it is surely better than nothing i assume.



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Immersiveunreality said:
sundin13 said:

Trump seems to think that the only thing you need to do to win over a demographic is to print a shirt proclaiming how much they love you:

Yeah, I'm sure a shirt with a rainbow on it will make up for all of the times you rolled back rights and protections for LGBTQ individuals... Brilliant move.

What move would you want them to take in order to appease you?

A shirt with rainbows on it does not make up for the offense you took, but it is surely better than nothing i assume.

You make it sound like asking the Trump administration to not dismantle protections/rights for LGBTQ individuals is some big ask. All the Trump administration had to do was literally nothing on this front, but unfortunately, they didn't.

And no, this shirt is worse than nothing.



SpokenTruth said:
Ever notice that Trump leaves the country anytime there is a military or veteran related holiday and doesn't celebrate it but will use the military and veterans ostentatiously when it suits his agenda?

Memorial Day was today in the US. A day where we honor the soldiers who lost their lives in service. Trump was in Japan playing golf.

IIRC he was here last memorial day.



SpokenTruth said:
jason1637 said:

IIRC he was here last memorial day.

Oh, I remember that.  And he capped it off with this gem.

I don't get it. Is that tweet supposed to be bad?



SpokenTruth said:
jason1637 said:

I don't get it. Is that tweet supposed to be bad?

Imagine your father was a solider that died in combat and the pastor starts to give the eulogy which suddenly shifts to how good the pastor has made the church, despite the previous pastor already doing most of the work, and talks more about himself than your father.

Now imagine that for millions of fallen soldier's funerals.

But that's liek comparing apples to oranges. Like a pastor making a church better does have an affect on the church goers but not to the magnitude that a good economy will. Some soldiers find it hard to find jobs after they have served so a good economy and low unemployment benefits them a lot.



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sundin13 said:
Machiavellian said:

I use the word selfish because I continue to hear all the excuses.  It's a woman's right to her body, financial support, parents are poor you name it.  We are full of excuses but excuses are exactly what they are.  We use those excuses for justification of our decision and actions.

As to your last paragraph, I am going to stop you right there.  I am not arguing for acceptance of abortion because I do not accept it.  I just know that society depending on where you live will make a decision on this matter and currently that is the accepted course.  As I will state again, I believe Abortion is the termination and destruction of life and all I hear is excuses to exercise this decision. 

Is "life" the only thing that is required in order for something to have a "right to life"?

Do any of us have a right to life would be my reply. I would also ask what do view as a "right to life".  Have you ever been in a situation where you needed to tell someone to have an abortion of your child because of whatever reason you can think of.  Have you ever lived with that decision if you chose abortion.  I can tell you from experience that I have been there.  I can tell you I did not come to my viewpoint based on some lofty ideals but instead I walked into the fire and came out on the other end.  So when I see your words "right to life", I wonder what experience have you had in such a situation. What experience have you had thinking about the termination of your child and then following through with it.  What experience have you had living with that decision.

I personally cannot think of one reason why any child should not be born and giving a chance to live and carve out their own destiny.  I do not believe we as society should be judge and jury condemning a life to termination because we have the power to do so.  I have the power to come into your home and kill you and by my own self standards I can believe whether or not you have the "right to life" and if the laws give the ability would that still be ok.



EricHiggin said:
Machiavellian said:

What you just did was show how Ben went into his safe place where no one will challenge him and talked about the interview.  It doesn't matter what he thought since being prepared is only a way to say you are ready to show a side of yourself you have prepared and performed many of times.  Everything you just stated is Ben believing he was going to be treated with kids gloves.  He believed he was in his safe bubble where he is thrown soft questions he could easily answer.

The interviewer directly challenged Ben and he came up short, there is no bones about that.  Everything else is trying to soften the blow.  It was a book review where the person who wrote the book has acted contrary to what they presented in the pass and when giving the opportunity to address those issues Ben showed in that moment who he is.  No preparations, no performance, just raw emotion.   

Crowder is a safe space? When someone mostly agree's with you, there's zero possibility it's because their logic tells them you were mostly justified?

So Ben was asked to do an interview on his book, and when the time came they didn't interview him about his book, but they did pose questions to Ben about things he's done or said in general, and because he wasn't prepared to combat that in a worthy manner since he wasn't anticipating the ambush, it's entirely Bens fault and he just needs to deal with it?

So say there's someone who knows a famous guy who is publicly vocal about upholding the second amendment, who loves guns, uses them all the time, has fast reaction times and is deadly accurate, and is always conceal carrying in public. This is something quite well known about this famous guy by many. This someone hosts a speaking event and invites the famous guy to be the main speaker. After finishing their famous guy welcoming speech, instead of this someone presenting their hand in good faith while exiting the stage, they pull a gun and put an entire clip into the famous guy, killing him before he can react. The famous guy, as always, was conceal carrying at the time.

In court, this someone explains to the judge it's not their fault that the famous guy was tricked into thinking he was simply going to be giving a speech at a friendly event, and that the famous guy should have been quite capable of backing up his claims mentally and physically, yet he could not when put to the test. The judge, who is you by chance, agree's with this someone and acquits them of all charges.

Umm, ok?

During the interview the interviewer made several references to Ben book and then challenge Ben on exactly that and Ben got angry.  You forget that once Ben got angry and basically quite the interview there wasn't a chance to go any further.  From what I take is that everyone must treat Ben with kid gloves but never challenge his position like he does all the time.

You seem to love your analogies but in the end all I see is excuses.  None of your analogies plays out to what happen but is just you looking for a way to excuse Ben and how he behaved.  I will give you credit though, if I ever need an excuse for anything wrong that I have done, I will definitely look you up because I am sure you will have a number of them ready.



Machiavellian said:
sundin13 said:

Is "life" the only thing that is required in order for something to have a "right to life"?

Do any of us have a right to life would be my reply. I would also ask what do view as a "right to life".  Have you ever been in a situation where you needed to tell someone to have an abortion of your child because of whatever reason you can think of.  Have you ever lived with that decision if you chose abortion.  I can tell you from experience that I have been there.  I can tell you I did not come to my viewpoint based on some lofty ideals but instead I walked into the fire and came out on the other end.  So when I see your words "right to life", I wonder what experience have you had in such a situation. What experience have you had thinking about the termination of your child and then following through with it.  What experience have you had living with that decision.

I personally cannot think of one reason why any child should not be born and giving a chance to live and carve out their own destiny.  I do not believe we as society should be judge and jury condemning a life to termination because we have the power to do so.  I have the power to come into your home and kill you and by my own self standards I can believe whether or not you have the "right to life" and if the laws give the ability would that still be ok.

So do you have an answer to the question?



the-pi-guy said:
jason1637 said:

But that's liek comparing apples to oranges. Like a pastor making a church better does have an affect on the church goers but not to the magnitude that a good economy will. Some soldiers find it hard to find jobs after they have served so a good economy and low unemployment benefits them a lot.

How about this:

Imagine your dad was a police officer who died protecting the church.  

Imagine during the eulogy, the pastor briefly mentioned your dad, then spent most of his time talking about how well the church was doing, how the church staff was making more money than they ever had. 

I get how people can view that was inappropriate but I dont see why. If the police officer died to protect the church that he cares about the person givign the eulogy can talk about what he protected and the strides that the church is making.I have some relatives and friends who are part of the military and they like it when Obama and now Trump talked about how well the country is doing because that's what their fighting to protect.



jason1637 said:
the-pi-guy said:

How about this:

Imagine your dad was a police officer who died protecting the church.  

Imagine during the eulogy, the pastor briefly mentioned your dad, then spent most of his time talking about how well the church was doing, how the church staff was making more money than they ever had. 

I get how people can view that was inappropriate but I dont see why. If the police officer died to protect the church that he cares about the person givign the eulogy can talk about what he protected and the strides that the church is making.I have some relatives and friends who are part of the military and they like it when Obama and now Trump talked about how well the country is doing because that's what their fighting to protect.

He was using memorial day to brag about his own questionable accomplishments. Jesus Christ you're twisting yourself in knots to justify his tweet