1) For clarification, are you saying that you don't believe that calling all cops pigs or murders is just as bad as racism?

2) I didn't say you do condone it, but if that is what you got out of that, you seemed to have completely missed what I was saying. It isn't a question of morality. It is a question of who has the responsibility to do something about it. It is the responsibility of the system to correct these injustices which have brought us to this point.

3) I think that if you are spending your time during this crisis condemning those who are righteously angry over decades of injustice, regardless of how they choose to express that righteous anger, you are beating back the oppressed, because you are giving power to the oppressors. You are giving power to the military and the police who are stepping forward to silence these protests. You are giving power to those on the news, or in government who are reducing this righteous anger to thuggery and anarchism. You are giving power to those who benefit from the silence of the oppressed.

While you may support the protesters in other ways, in this way and within this argument, you are benefiting the oppressors. Now, that doesn't mean that you have to support these actions, but I believe that if you truly believe in change, there are better ways to fight for it in ways that are consistent with your own personal morality, such as contributing to the charitable organizations which are helping the small businesses which have been destroyed.

I know that may sound harsh and extreme, but it is what I truly believe. I don't mean it as an indictment of your character, but a criticism of your actions. From everything I've seen from you, you seem to have your heart in the right place. I just think you are wrong on this one.

https://www.boredpanda.com/george-floyd-police-brutality-protest/

1) Apprehending someone is not the same as robbing a bank.

2) If memory serves, one of the proposed reforms was decriminalizing loud music. So if my neighbor's loud music is preventing me from getting sleep, are police powerless to stop my neighbor?

3) I simply think some of the ways progress is being pushed is more destructive than constructive.

1) It ceased to be anything that could be considered a simple apprehension as soon as George Floyd said that he couldn't breathe.

2) Decriminalization is defined as the following: to repeal a strict ban on while keeping under some form of regulation.

These infractions would still be responded to by police, however, it would be treated more similarly to how traffic violations are treated. It would not be considered a crime, or go on a criminal record, but the police would still respond and potentially issue fines if necessary. For some of the other things on the list, even this level of enforcement isn't necessary. These changes are important in both changing how the police respond to these issues as well as in changing how people are brought into the criminal justice system, and the negative consequences that come with that.

I will say additionally that I find it very interesting that you are nitpicking fairly non-important points in that document though. I would appreciate it if you would plainly say what you are trying to say and why you think it is important in future posts regarding this topic instead of asking fairly meaningless questions without any specified reason, to avoid miscommunication and incorrect assumptions.

3) And I simply think that the way you express this gives power to those who do not wish to see change.

EDIT: Clarified point 2.

I will agree that saying Chauvin would not have been fired and charged within days without going through the proper police procedures is more conspiracy then anything else and closure to a gut feeling.  Even though I was not the one to raise this probable cause, it was something my friends and I immediately noticed especially since a few are police officers.  Due to the nature of the incident and Chauvin record, It would appear the city wanted to quickly jump on the situation and fire him immediately because they knew this was going to be bad.  Think about it, he was fired without any investigation and probably told if he kept his mouth shut nothing more would come of this but the protest and violence quickly escalated out of control and they had to respond with charges to try and appease the people.  Chauvin getting a lawyer really isn't any clue if procedures were followed or not.  You get a lawyer anyway because you need to review all of your options and of course if things go south and charges are made, you need to get your defense up.

List of things achieved by the black looters and criminals following antifa's orders (mostly white people):
- Racism will increase as white supremacists now have tons of videos in support of their ideas
- People that had small racist tendencies and that could be brought back to reason will probably get more racist
- Poor areas destroyed will demand more tax payers money to be rebuilt
- Those same poor areas will maybe see a lot of white people (with higher income) leave those areas and not reopening their business. Will also detract investors of investing in the area. In the end the area will get more poor.
- A lot of them are going to jail and will now have a crime record. Although many probably already had.
- Considering all those gathering, there might be an even higher spike in covid-19 infections between the black community which already suffers from it more than the other communities, since they have worse living conditions, less private medical care and etc.
- Guns sales went through the roof including a LOT of 1st time buyers. So many videos of people with guns defending their business and houses and being successful with it. This will be remembered for a long time as how owning your own gun for safety is important. Gun control discussions will halt for a long time.
- Trump was in a rut due to the poor handling of covid-19. Congratulations, you just gave them an opportunity to get out of the news and show some strength as now he can paint himself as defender of law and order when the army or national forces comes to solve the problem.

Who loses: The black community in general specially those that wanted to protest peacefully and those that just wanted to stay home and not get involved. Also the left in general.
Who wins: Trump which now may get a bump for the elections and far left white revolutionaries including antifa that somehow will be happy saying "yeah we showed them".

Congrats, you played yourself.

The key here is that all you do is say those acts are bad but it never moves you to do anything about it because you do not suffer from it.  Its like watching a video of bad crap happening in another country.  Yeah, that's bad, poor bastards but when you wake up in the morning you have already moved on.  You can agree that what happen to Floyd was bad but since its rare you would suffer from it, you have already moved on.  This is the problem.  The lack of action, the lack of empthy, the lack of really caring and making it an issue.  Your life isn't disrupted so no need to do anything about it.  Those poor bastards have it rough but as long as they do not disrupt my life, I am fine.

When you have ignored their plight long enough and violence break out, now you all riled up but only about the riot.  You saw the signs, you knew their plight for years, even decades if you are old enough but since it did not effect your life no big deal.  When the violence happens all you ever do is concentrate on the violence forgetting how often you ignored and allowed the issues to build up.  The riots give you another reason to do nothing because you have an excuse to not condemn the plight that sparked the violence just as much as the riot.  They are not equal in your eyes and so the cycle repeats itself over and over again and until the nation burns and your life is deeply effected.  Then, just maybe then you would say just do something to shut them up.

Racists can go fuck off, it's not the responsibility of black people to cotow to would be racist jerk offs who want to stand on the side lines when they have tried repeatedly to appease this crowd with peaceful protest in the past only to have them sit there and shrug their shoulders. Bet Colin Kaepernick only kneeling sure sounds great to those folks right about now. 

Trump's presidency looks like a goddamn joke at this point even being attacked now from conservative circles like Ann Coulter calling Trump an "actual functional retard". 

You don't get human rights by asking politely. That's never really happened. Shit doesn't even work like that on a goddamn elementary playground, a bully does not stop bullying anyone just because they are asked politely or peacefully. They may damn well consider stopping when they're punched back in the face though. 

The cop who murdered a man on camera and looked to be getting off scott free as no charges looked forth coming even though the authorities had this video for several days is now likely headed to prison because of these riots. I doubt very much that would've have happened with a docile march down the street on a Sunday. 

If pearl clutchers don't like riots being so darn ugly, stop sitting on the sidelines and demand changes to how police function and hold them to account when they step over the line. "Peaceful society" nonsense is a phony sham, it's like a family where one person in the family is getting abused but the mom is so desperate to maintain the image of a perfect, always happy family, that they snap at the person being abused for acting out and putting their fake image of a perfect family in jeopardy. 

This is unfortunately also the reason why police have to use force, even lethal force sometimes. 

But around Europe, there has been constant change to human rights and the way police operates and uses force without much violent rioting. Not saying there hasn't been riots, but plenty of things have changed without them.

Problems in US run deeper so maybe you can't compare US and EU countries..but that's part of the issue. 

You don't ever need to put your knee on the back of someone's neck for 8 1/2 minutes while they are handcuffed and unarmed to begin with. Period. 

That's bull shit, the fact that police officers in the US think they can do that and probably get away with it tells you a lot. This isn't something that happens "by accident".