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tsogud on 31 May 2020
Ka-pi96 said:
tsogud said:

Black Lives Matter. These protests are valid. And if you disagree then you're part of the problem. We're done with the bs.

The opposite, actually. From what I've seen at least 2 people have been killed so far. If you're for these riots then you're pro-murder. That makes you the problem! To "protest" a murder by murdering 2 more people is so idiotic and hypocritical that's it completely ridiculous that anybody could possibly think it's "just". It's not. Killing more people isn't how you respond to somebody being killed.

Proving my point.

EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. Of these demonstrations started off peacefully but the moment paramilitary officers came they antagonized the protesters and started the violence. If you're not for protesting racial injustice then you're PART OF THE PROBLEM. You're not an ally and you never were. Black people and POC have been killed day in and day out in cold blood since the founding of America. We've tried our peaceful protests of police brutality, we've tried it every goddamn Sunday with Colin Kaepernick. It has resulted in vilification from the right and has fallen on deaf ears in the neoliberal wing of the Democratic party. NOTHING HAS CHANGED. About 300 years later America still is as gross and racist as ever, people are just good at hiding it.

"A riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear?" - Dr. MLK Jr.



 

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Immersiveunreality on 31 May 2020
tsogud said:

Black Lives Matter. These protests are valid. And if you disagree then you're part of the problem. We're done with the bs.

None here seems to be against protests but violence against innocents is always bad no matter how you look at it imo.

These incidents does not mitigate the reason why protests happen and it is only a few of them that go too far so no need to bundle all those protesters together like they're all fine with such things happening,if you care about the protest you would care about the majority beings ashamed because some had to act on their personal blind hate.

I have been on some protest and it is like 95 percent full with people that mean well and then you got a small minority that is out for blood and brings weapons with them,anything they do not like personally they like to destroy even if it has nothing to do with the cause.One protest i was with had all the foreigners shops looted and destroyed,civilians cars burned down,a female policeofficers pulled from her bike and seriously beaten,fireworks thrown into peoples homes etc... and that all for that supposedly good cause those perpetrators did not give two shits about but they did really get a kick from that violence.



tsogud on 31 May 2020
Immersiveunreality said:
tsogud said:

Black Lives Matter. These protests are valid. And if you disagree then you're part of the problem. We're done with the bs.

None here seems to be against protests but violence against innocents is always bad no matter how you look at it imo.

These incidents does not mitigate the reason why protests happen and it is only a few of them that go too far so no need to bundle all those protesters together like they're all fine with such things happening,if you care about the protest you would care about the majority beings ashamed because some had to act on their personal blind hate.

I have been on some protest and it is like 95 percent full with people that mean well and then you got a small minority that is out for blood and brings weapons with them,anything they do not like personally they like to destroy even if it has nothing to do with the cause.One protest i was with had all the foreigners shops looted and destroyed,civilians cars burned down,a female policeofficers pulled from her bike and seriously beaten,fireworks thrown into peoples homes etc... and that all for that supposedly good cause those perpetrators did not give two shits about but they did really get a kick from that violence.

@bolded: Where in my posts did I say or even hint at that??? Every single protest was nonviolent until police escalated the situation.

And there are numerous accounts and videos of white nationalists and undercover cops vandalizing shops and causing mayhem to muddy the waters and the protesters tried to stop them. These protests are completely valid and were nonviolent until agitators stirred things up.

THE POLICE NEED TO STOP KILLING BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE. IT'S NON-NEGOTIABLE!



 

tsogud on 31 May 2020
Ka-pi96 said:
tsogud said:

Proving my point.

EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. Of these demonstrations started off peacefully but the moment paramilitary officers came they antagonized the protesters and started the violence. If you're not for protesting racial injustice then you're PART OF THE PROBLEM. You're not an ally and you never were. Black people and POC have been killed day in and day out in cold blood since the founding of America. We've tried our peaceful protests of police brutality, we've tried it every goddamn Sunday with Colin Kaepernick. It has resulted in vilification from the right and has fallen on deaf ears in the neoliberal wing of the Democratic party. NOTHING HAS CHANGED. About 300 years later America still is as gross and racist as ever, people are just good at hiding it.

"A riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear?" - Dr. MLK Jr.

Actually, I'd say the bolded is part of the problem. Classifying people as either an ally or an enemy is not the way to do things. People aren't rioting for justice, they're rioting because they think the police are "the enemy", well either that or because they're jerks that just want to cause wanton destruction. Either way, they're not helping.

What exactly do you think these riots will accomplish?

Personally I think what should happen is that the "cop" that murdered George Floyd should be arrested (already done) and convicted for the crime. The local police should issue an apology and police forces nationwide should implement more stringent checks when recruiting new cops to make sure that they're mentally capable of doing their job correctly, and continuing to evaluate existing cops to ensure they remain that way, as well as training their officers more thoroughly in how to deal with potentially dangerous situations. And while not directly related I also think the US should create new laws that heavily restrict and regulate gun ownership, which should theoretically mean cops are less likely to encounter people with guns and would therefore be less likely to assume danger.

What do I think the riots will accomplish though? I think they'll just reinforce the stupid "us vs them" mentality. They'll make people less trustful of the police and less willing to co-operate when dealing with the police. And they'll make the police more apprehensive when dealing with people as they assume them to likely to attack them and thus are more willing to shoot first and ask questions later. ie. I think the riots will make things worse.

@bolded: Racism is not a difference of opinion.

You're literally a racist or you're not. Which are you? How you will respond to these demonstrations will tell you.

@bolded/italicized: Only if you're white/white-passing. George Floyd didn't have a gun and was cooperating, and was beat up and killed. Trayvon Martin was a teenager walking home, no gun, and shot to death. Eric Garner didn't have a gun, was suffocated to death. Breonna Taylor was laying in her bed when police busted through her door and killed her, she didn't have a gun. There are COUNTLESS instances of unprovoked violence and death perpetuated by the police with no gun on the victim. It's not about guns on the victim, it's about the racism that permeates throughout our country and it manifests itself in corrupt institutions such as the police force and it results in the countless deaths of innocent black and brown individuals. Listen to black people when they speak and educate yourself on the BLM movement before you cast your lot.

It was already an "us vs them (racists/and those that enable them)" situation and has been since the founding of America. 

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KiigelHeart on 31 May 2020
Hiku said:

They couldn't even stop doing police brutality during a police brutality protest.

Which part of the oath to protect and serve is pushing over an old gray haired man with a cane?

Shooting people in the face for just walking home?


(She's one of the lucky ones. Another woman lost her eye for simply being a reporter.)

Here's another cop who should be arrested for attempted murder.


There's so so so much, it's really shocking. Here's a highlight compilation.

 

The big revelation here is just how many bad cops there are. And that includes the mediocre ones who stay silent, making it impossible for good cops to stand up to them.

I do want to emphasize the good cops though.

But again, the amount of cops who can't refrain from brutality during a police brutality protest is extremely eye opening.

You don't think there's anything wrong with blocking a way of an emergency vehicle? How do you know those cops aren't responding to a call of someone's life being in danger? It's a riot after all.. forcing a way through the crowd would be ok, should be done at lower speed though.

I agree with the rest of your post but it's nothing new some US cops are too aggressive or undertrained.

Being on duty as a cop during and aggressive protest is extremely eye-opening too btw hehe.



KiigelHeart on 31 May 2020
Hiku said:
KiigelHeart said:

You don't think there's anything wrong with blocking a way of an emergency vehicle? How do you know those cops aren't responding to a call of someone's life being in danger? It's a riot after all.. forcing a way through the crowd would be ok, should be done at lower speed though.

I agree with the rest of your post but it's nothing new some US cops are too aggressive or undertrained.

Being on duty as a cop during and aggressive protest is extremely eye-opening too btw hehe.

I do.
But I think it's absolutely inexcusable to accelerate into a crowd the way the above car did, no matter where they were heading.
The bottom car handled it better by slowly pushing against people so no one would get injured or run over.

And it's not just 'some' cops. This among hundreds of other clips shows that it's far far too many.

Being an on duty cop vs peaceful protesters is what's eye opening.

Or just walking home from the grocery store, standing on your front porch, reporting the news, etc.

Oh dear my bad, I was looking at that bottom car and didn't even notice the acceleration. Yeah that's a wrong way to do it, nevermind my previous response.

But while I'm not defending a use of excessive force,  even peaceful protestors should understand to step back if an area or street is supposed to be cleared for whatever reason. Especially during riots. 



Otter on 31 May 2020

The actions of the police is ensuring this will only get much much worse



Pemalite on 31 May 2020

What is wrong with the USA? I mean seriously.

What the officer did to that African American, killing him, crossed a disgusting line.

But to protest in such an extremist way, which has resulted in life and property severely damaged and/or lost is also a disgusting line that is crossed.

Two wrongs do not make a right, this is basic kindergarten shit.

I think the issue is... Is that it seems cool to "rally against authority" and many people see all police as being the same kinds of people, which is far from reality, you have some idiots, sure, like in any service, but at the end of the day... We are all people, we all bleed the same colour of blood and need to be respected.

The USA has lost sight of that entirely. - Wasn't Trump going to make America Great again? Currently hundreds of thousands are dying by Corona, there is violence erupting in the streets, economy is about to go into recession, media's legitimacy is at an all time low, constant mud flinging between left and right, the wall hasn't been built... List goes on.
It's honestly a joke at this point.

I feel for all of those affected by the current running circumstances in the USA and I genuinely hope things improve sooner rather than later.



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EnricoPallazzo on 31 May 2020

Police should just stay home and let them break and steal everything.
There is nothing they can do and force will need to be used which will cause people and journalists to get hurt anyway.
Only thing they should do is maybe go undercover and arrest the white antifa agitators in the middle of the crowd.
Business owners just stay home and later ask your insurance company to cover for it. If you try to defend your business you will be killers by the rioters/looters.
After everything subsides, stop arresting black people unless it's murder for example.

Also interesting the press dont care about covid-19 anymore. Its alright to mass gathering if it is for a good cause (in press point of view)