Charged but not yet convicted. Justice has yet to be served, stay vigilant! 

It is sad,those that did this deserve a serious punishment.

This. I don't think anyone is saying what the cops did was right, but we can't burn down buildings and destroy small businesses. This hurts black people too. No company will want to do business in these areas again which will cause more problems down the road. Not to mention this isn't a good time with the corona virus situation going on.

"Proves". No one is proving anything in this discussion. You ridiculed the idea that this could be an undercover officer.

If police or any other agency are using agents to fuel unrest, participate riots etc. That's in the public interests and it's the only reason we are looking at this video.

>I'm ridiculing the piss-poor evidence being forwarded for this umbrella fella being an agent of some sort.

Of course but you're not providing any alternate cause for the disparity whilst there's been strong and long documentation of racism in  the police force & the US in general.

>Alternate cause for disparity for what? Blacks being over represented in use of force cases?..

Ugh, I don't like talking about people in such a generalized manner but... here's one guess: the longstanding stigma against police and their being racist colors the perception of far too many in black communities, a perception driven in part by media focus on cases of police brutality against black victims while similar cases of police brutality against white victims go under reported. As a result, interactions between blacks and police are more likely to take a turn for the worse since the black individual may feel they have more to fear than a white individual.

Just last week this woman went viral hysterically pretending to be in danger whilst using the mans' race as a weapon against him, because she belives him being "African American" will trigger a more imminent and threatening response from the police.

>Sounds like this woman subscribes to the belief that police are automatically anti-black. And what happened if/when police showed up? Gonna guess they just shrugged it off and told the two to part ways.

And at the very least we can say the "cause" is the action of the police and there are many documentated cases, 3 from the last week alone, where they kill unarmed people through reckless actions. They were all black but that doesn't even matter, there needs to be accountability.

>I firmly agree there needs to be accountability. From all parties, not just police.

And honestly you intent of roadblocking these conversations without having any actual believe or stance is also part of the problem. What exactly are you arguing? That racism doesn't exist? I'm personally going to be more selective about how I spend my energy,  so I won't respond to you again but please think long and hard about what your actual stance is before committing to this endless devil's advocacy.

>Racism certainly exists in many forms, some forms more malignant than others and I like to think of myself as a guardian against leaps of logic in these sorts of conversations. I'm sure some would classify George Floyd's death as a racist incident while I would not be so hasty: based on my knowledge of the incident, It seems more to me a case of negligence and insufficient officer training.

Do they, though? do they, really? 

I think the thing that bugs me most about this is that it proves that complacency and pacifism is nice...when it works. but when it doesn't, what are you supposed to do? People have been collectively doing the 'right thing' for decades, peacefully protesting, spreading awareness through social media and activism, and generally trying their best to not be the bad guys while also trying to make a positive change in the world but it didn't work. 

We live in a world where 'SJW' is an insult. The idea that someone could care about progress or inclusiveness or positive change in the world is now used as a derogatory term, because many people are happy with how things are, don't want there to be any inclusiveness, are completely fine with the little ways the world fucks over minorities or underprivileged, and actively resist the idea that maybe shit like this is not okay. We live in a world where a lot of people want to make change for the better and be better people, and they're mocked and insulted and bullied for it. we live in a world where it's seemingly okay for black people to be continually shit on becuase, legally, they have equal rights. we live in a world where some people think that racism isn't a thing anymore because - at least on paper - the races are equal when in reality and in practice, they clearly and demonstrably are not, at least in the eyes of the law and apparently your average voter. 

I hate violence. I hate aggressive tactics. I hate the idea that people felt they needed to get violent in order to send a message loud enough for people to hear. 

What I hate even more is that we live in a world this was genuinely the only option some people have left when all other methods failed and yet some people - like you - still vilify them for it. 

Change needs to happen. This is how it happens, because it's very very clear that going through the proper channels wasn't doing shit. Your post here and the posts of the others in this thread saying the rioters are bad people because they're taking a stand against institutionalized oppression are like the idiots who cry to have a dog put down for biting its owner after years of abuse. These riots aren't unprovoked, these riots aren't without justification. They are a way to say that, no, we won't allow this any longer. IT's an absolutely last resort that shows that we've had enough. 

And the fact that your lord dampnut (Donald Trump as an Anagram) actively endorsed the idea of bringing the military to shoot people instead of, you know, addressing the very real underlying problem speaks volumes both for him and his followers. This is exactly why racism thrives in the US. Entitled white brats wiping their hands clean of the issue since they did the bare minimum to no longer keep slaves and give black people legally equal rights while never truly addressing the deeper issue that frankly, there's still a lot of racism in the world and it's very clearly being aimed at black people by white people. 

For fuck's sake, Trump was literally elected on the promise that he'd 'build a wall' to keep Mexicans out and immediately put a travel ban on muslims. HE literally campaigned on blatant racism and enough people voted for him that he actually, somehow won. 

See this riot? Minnesota fucking deserves it and everything else it gets. you know how republicans are always going on about corruption in politics and how they need their guns because they need to form an uprising in the event that the government oppresses them? Yeah, this is exactly that happening. Imagine how much fucking worse it'd be if everyone in that riot actually had automatic rifles. 

I absolutely hate politics, and I absolutely hate that so many people are so willingly ignorant of reality or twist the facts just so they can absolve themselves of any responsibility in an issue like this. I hate that people deflect questions and refuse to address this shit beyond just blindly vilifying everyone involved. Have a spine. Riot. Let the world know that this sort of blatant abuse of power won't go unchecked. 

I'd say 'power to the people', but clearly 'the people' involves people that think the police officer was in the right or bend over backwards to justify the murder of a black man rather than face the facts that racism is still very real and still very much so a pervasive problem in this world. 

So, according to the mayor of St. Paul, every person who was arrested was from out of state. While I think the accusations that one of the individuals involved was an undercover cop are a little farfetched and poorly supported, it does sound like there may be some sort of organized effort to shape the narrative around this incident by feeding into the looting and rioting. White nationalist groups have also been trying to incite violence, possibly for this reason. This may get even more crazy.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2020/05/30/every-person-arrested-in-saint-paul-last-night-was-from-out-of-state-mayor-says/#7cf32775264d

1: All acts of violence like this that hurt innocents that have nothing to do with all of this should get some form of punishment imo.

2: Are you aware that most of the protesters there most likely did not want that to happen,you think those that actually commit the violence always care for the causes of that protest? On the frontlines you have the most scummiest people shaming the others.

3: Must depend on where you live,never have i ever hear anyone use that as an insult and the ones that do it online rarely use it to shame a good human being but i do have seen it used a lot to ridiculize extremism.

4: Sad how you justify acts of violence and hate towards unrelated victims and try to twist it so the perpetrators are unsung heros,when do you draw the line?

The rest of your post is an unneeded miss-characterisation of me if you really think i need that lecture and that Trump is my lord,the horse you're on is too high to include logic into this rant it seems.

Way to deliver a message I suppose. Self-flagellation if I have ever seen any.