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There are a lot of inconsistencies in this story about the "Woman in the wheelchair" which draw serious questions about her own role in the violence as well as whether she had instigated this to serve as a flash point. Further, the fact that Andy Ngo was one of the main individuals reporting on this should also raise some serious red flags.

But either way, I think there is a much more important conversation to have about the role of black protest. We constantly hear "No, you can't protest that way" and then we don't see change. Kneeling during the national anthem is just about the tamest way possible to protest, but nah, it's still too much. I don't believe that rioting is is a positive way to express the anger you are feeling, but at the same time, we need to look at the conditions that lead to this sort of behavior. This is a result of systemic oppression.

To quote Martin Luther King Jr:

…I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation’s summers of riots are caused by our nation’s winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.



This is next level.

https://youtu.be/ftLzQefpBvM



Otter said:

Already debunked by STPaul Police Department.



KiigelHeart said:

Just watched the George Floyd video. Surely this disgrace of a police officer will go to jail for this. It doesn't matter how much the man was resisting arrest (if he even was I don't know), once he is subdued and on handcuffs you need to calm down the situation. It's never personal and suspects aren't your enemy and your ego shouldn't affect your duty. I also think even US cops are trained NOT TO go for neck/throat unless it's a life and death situation. Hell, even common sense is enough to know it might kill a person. So I don't see any excuse for what that officer did.. it looked like he was torturing the man just for the sake of it.

I hope this is not common behaviour for US cops.

Its not common when you take into account every cop but its an unfortunate situation that keeps happening. Thank god for cellphone recording or a lot of this injustice will go unseen. 



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KiigelHeart said:
Otter said:

Already debunked by STPaul Police Department.

What was debunked? That the identified person works for St Paul Police department or that he was there on undercover duty.

Edit: No worries, I just found the tweet.

I certainly wouldn't take this as confirmation of anything. For their officers saftey they probably wouldn't identify him and they couldn't even go as far as to identify who their officer is not/they don't know who they are looking at. Unless they identify the suspect or identify their own officer "Jacob Pederson" and say  "No, he was not in the area, here is the evidence" then there is really no reason to believe them.

But don't get me wrong, we don't know who the person is for sure but this is the only actual evidence we have on his identity. And under close scrutiny its quite convincing.


Last edited by Otter - on 29 May 2020

Otter said:
KiigelHeart said:

Already debunked by STPaul Police Department.

What was debunked? That the identified person works for St Paul Police department or that he was there on undercover duty.

Edit: No worries, I just found the tweet.

I certainly wouldn't take this as confirmation of anything. For their officers saftey they probably wouldn't identify him and they couldn't even go as far as to identify who their officer is not/they don't know who they are looking at. Unless they identity the officer "Jacob Pederson" and say no "he was not in the area, here is the evidence". There is really no reason to believe them.

But don't get me wrong, we don't know who the person is for sure but this is the only actual evidence we have on his identity. And under close scrutiny its quite convincing.


If you want to call that evidence then ok. I personally wouldn't post stuff like this without actually knowing if it's true or not. 



KiigelHeart said:
Otter said:

If you want to call that evidence then ok. I personally wouldn't post stuff like this without actually knowing if it's true or not. 

Yeah, I respect that. situations like this are tricky though because without posting it you will never get to the truth.



Otter said:
KLAMarine said:

So did this victim of police brutality get spoken for by Lebron James or Colin Kaepernick? Were there protests and riots following this killing?

Before I answer that question, what exact point are you trying to establish by asking it? 

I'm wondering if CaptainExplosion is going to call out Lebron or Colin on their double standards...



Otter said:
KiigelHeart said:

Already debunked by STPaul Police Department.

What was debunked? That the identified person works for St Paul Police department or that he was there on undercover duty.

Edit: No worries, I just found the tweet.

I certainly wouldn't take this as confirmation of anything. For their officers saftey they probably wouldn't identify him and they couldn't even go as far as to identify who their officer is not/they don't know who they are looking at. Unless they identify the suspect or identify their own officer "Jacob Pederson" and say  "No, he was not in the area, here is the evidence" then there is really no reason to believe them.

But don't get me wrong, we don't know who the person is for sure but this is the only actual evidence we have on his identity. And under close scrutiny its quite convincing.


Using my x-ray vision, I can confirm the man in the gas mask is officer Jacob Pederson! Yep!