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Snoopy on 25 May 2020
the-pi-guy said:
Snoopy said:

"Violent crime rates may have risen at first during the Depression (in 1933, nationwide homicide mortality rate hit a high for the century until that point, at 9.7 per 100,000 people) but the trend did not continue throughout the decade. As the economy showed signs of recovery in 1934-37, the homicide rate went down by 20 percent."

Funny how you take that line from here : https://www.history.com/topics/great-depression/crime-in-the-great-depression

but not the line after:

New Deal programs were likely a major factor in declining crime rates, as was the end of Prohibition and a slowdown of immigration and migration of people from rural America to northern cities, all of which reduced urban crime rates. Even when the U.S. economy stalled again in 1937-38, homicide rates kept falling, reaching 6.4 per 100,000 by the end of the decade.

Yes and it worked for the short run, but ended up causing more issues for us. Still doesn't disapprove the crime rate went up because of the recession. 



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Snoopy on 25 May 2020
jason1637 said:
Also snoopy that graph was already increasing exponentially before the recession.

Yes, but it increased a lot more during the recession era and there wasn't as much money or resources available for the hospitals. Also, quote me like a man so I can get a notification. Don't be a weasel and think you can get away from debating me son.



jason1637 on 25 May 2020
Snoopy said:
jason1637 said:
Also snoopy that graph was already increasing exponentially before the recession.

Yes, but it increased a lot more during the recession era and there wasn't as much money or resources available for the hospitals. Also, quote me like a man so I can get a notification. Don't be a weasel and think you can get away from debating me son.

So it went from roughly 4-6 perecent to roughly 6-9 percent. Dunno how much can actually be attributed to the recession. Would be nice if you could show tue graph past 2011 to see of the rate of growth saw a decrease during more economically stable years.

As for not quoting you i knew you'd see it regardless so its not me trying to avoid a conversation. If that was the case i wouldn't have said anything. 



sethnintendo on 25 May 2020
Snoopy said:
the-pi-guy said:

Funny how you take that line from here : https://www.history.com/topics/great-depression/crime-in-the-great-depression

but not the line after:

New Deal programs were likely a major factor in declining crime rates, as was the end of Prohibition and a slowdown of immigration and migration of people from rural America to northern cities, all of which reduced urban crime rates. Even when the U.S. economy stalled again in 1937-38, homicide rates kept falling, reaching 6.4 per 100,000 by the end of the decade.

Yes and it worked for the short run, but ended up causing more issues for us. Still doesn't disapprove the crime rate went up because of the recession. 

While you ignore the prohibition of alcohol.  Look it was such a failure and bred so much corruption within the police, judicial and political force that the only solution was to allow sale of it again.   Not only that people were dying from bad unregulated alcohol.  Alcohol causes a lot of problems but outlawing it was a monumental failure. 

Of course there were bank robbers like Dillinger, Bonnie and Clyde, etc but most poor people mainly lined up at the soup kitchens to survive.



Bofferbrauer2 on 25 May 2020
Snoopy said:
jason1637 said:

Nearly 100k deaths with a lockdown.  Could have been much much higher without one. Maybe in some cases yhe lockdowns should have been more lenient but the lockdowns have helped. Look tBrazil. Lack of lockdowns and they're getting out of control. 

Okay, a lot less than a percent. Glad we are destroying everything for a death rate that is about the same as every day tasks like driving a car and walking down the street.

Okay, let's go with that.

A lot less than 1% of Americans died in the 9/11 attacks. Glad the US were destroying 2 entire nations  for a death rate about as high as this virus did in less than one week.

As for a death rate compared to daily tasks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rEO8iJB45A



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sundin13 on 26 May 2020
CaptainExplosion said:

One thing about America that has stayed the same; Cops getting just a slap on the wrist for killing black people.

The worst these scumbags got was being fired from their police department, when any decent human being knows they should be in prison for murder.

An investigation is currently ongoing by the FBI and state law enforcement. It's a bit too early to be talking about what they got in the past tense.



sethnintendo on 27 May 2020
sundin13 said:
CaptainExplosion said:

One thing about America that has stayed the same; Cops getting just a slap on the wrist for killing black people.

The worst these scumbags got was being fired from their police department, when any decent human being knows they should be in prison for murder.

An investigation is currently ongoing by the FBI and state law enforcement. It's a bit too early to be talking about what they got in the past tense.

I believe they already fired some of the officers.  Charges should be brought at least against the one that had knee on back of neck.  These police officers are just pussies and make decent officer look bad because one bad apple spoils the bunch.  There is no fucking reason to hold someone down like that for over 3 mins with knee on back side of neck.  He wasn't even struggling much at the time (mainly struggling trying to breathe) and there were at least 2 or 3 officers there.  If they couldn't stand him up handcuffed and control him then they shouldn't have been cops in the first place.

Edit - Just heard it was 4 officers involved.  He was probably handcuffed on ground.  I'm not sure if any of you were ever in handcuffs but it is pretty hard to do anything while cuffed.  Its hard to even stand up because you can't use your hands like you usually do to help lift you up.  You basically have to rock yourself back and forth to even attempt to stand.  They should have taken him down on ground since he was resisting.  Gotten handcuffs on him then stood his ass up or least let him sit on curb while cuffed. 

After watching few seasons of caught on camera the CCTV British show I only wish cops were as well trained as they are in UK.  Sure they have their incidents but not nearly as much.  Police training here obviously needs to be a lot more.

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Proxy-Pie on 27 May 2020

The thing about these videos is it makes you wonder how many cases like this we don't know about, because no one was recording...



Runa216 on 27 May 2020
SpokenTruth said:

Arguing with Snoopy about politics is an exercise in futility.

After all, he did just post this unironically.

Snoopy said:
Democrats still think they own black people. How sad, but what can we expect from the same party that started the KKK.

Snoopy's one of like five people on this forum that I completely breeze over. Just absolutely absurd the things he posts. 



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sethnintendo on 27 May 2020
SpokenTruth said:
Bandorr said:

I would almost give him half a point if I actually thought he knew what he was talking about. It's am impressive distortion of history. It ignores the values of the parties, which states are involved, the time period etc - but still.

Sadly I'm guessing he is just copying someone like CharlieKirk and didn't think of it himself.

No points awarded.  He's been corrected at least once in the past, as it were, on this exact topic already.  Repeating it again shows the intention of arguing in bad faith.

Yes it's pretty easy to see that parties switched demographics around Nixon time.  Democrats used to be racist then Republicans started courting them about 50 years ago.   So he tries to act like he knows history then he ignores when the switch happen.  Republicans used to be good about 120 years ago.

Pisses me off almost when they are like well we are the party of Lincoln and Teddy.  Not anymore.  Teddy was a trust buster.  Current Republicans suck the dick of corporations.