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jason1637 said:
o_O.Q said:

if you are determined to force women to have children they do not want to have, are you willing to personally take care of those children yourself?

No I'm not but there are people who will.

wow you aren't? so how then can you be in support of forcing women to have children that you don't have to give a crap about anyway? never mind that its a denial of women's bodily autonomy



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NightlyPoe said:
o_O.Q said:

if you are determined to force women to have children they do not want to have, are you willing to personally take care of those children yourself?

I'm not determined to force anyone to do anything.  All I wish is to prevent homicide of the most innocent.

"All I wish is to prevent homicide of the most innocent."

yes i'd agree with you that its murder, but so what?

we eliminate people in society when it has been proven that they have a negative impact on society

in this case the scope is narrowed to the woman only

but yes i'd agree that its fairly pathetic how people will try to rationalise that its not murder because its "just a clump of cells" 



o_O.Q said:
jason1637 said:

No I'm not but there are people who will.

wow you aren't? so how then can you be in support of forcing women to have children that you don't have to give a crap about anyway? never mind that its a denial of women's bodily autonomy

I do care about their lives, I just can't afford to take care of children nor am i mature enough to do so. Also nobody is forcing women to care for these children themselves. Like someone else has pointed out in this thread there are about 2 million couples waiting to adopt children.



jason1637 said:
o_O.Q said:

wow you aren't? so how then can you be in support of forcing women to have children that you don't have to give a crap about anyway? never mind that its a denial of women's bodily autonomy

I do care about their lives, I just can't afford to take care of children nor am i mature enough to do so. Also nobody is forcing women to care for these children themselves. Like someone else has pointed out in this thread there are about 2 million couples waiting to adopt children.

So you deeply care about their lives but you still personally want nothing to do with them once they're born, gotcha

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collint0101 said:
jason1637 said:

I do care about their lives, I just can't afford to take care of children nor am i mature enough to do so. Also nobody is forcing women to care for these children themselves. Like someone else has pointed out in this thread there are about 2 million couples waiting to adopt children.

So you deeply care about their lives but you still personally want nothing to do with them once they're born, gotcha

Because I'm not in a position to take care of kids. You can care about others but can't take care of them. There are millions of people who can and are willing to care for them anyway.



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jason1637 said:
collint0101 said:

So you deeply care about their lives but you still personally want nothing to do with them once they're born, gotcha

Because I'm not in a position to take care of kids. You can care about others but can't take care of them. There are millions of people who can and are willing to care for them anyway.

Adoption is one thing but it says nothing about our overburdened foster care system. Aside from that I find it ironic that the pro life crowd is mostly made up of republicans that actively stand against programs such as free and reduced lunch, better and more efficient public education spending, government backed daycare, universal healthcare, more expansive paternity leave for both mothers and fathers ect that would actually benefit these children. The inability to properly care for a child is one of the biggest reasons people want an abortion in the first place. 



collint0101 said:
jason1637 said:

Because I'm not in a position to take care of kids. You can care about others but can't take care of them. There are millions of people who can and are willing to care for them anyway.

Adoption is one thing but it says nothing about our overburdened foster care system. Aside from that I find it ironic that the pro life crowd is mostly made up of republicans that actively stand against programs such as free and reduced lunch, better and more efficient public education spending, government backed daycare, universal healthcare, more expansive paternity leave for both mothers and fathers ect that would actually benefit these children. The inability to properly care for a child is one of the biggest reasons people want an abortion in the first place. 

Well there are probably people who are pro life that are against the things you mentioned but from my experience most people who are pro life just think that life is sacred period.



jason1637 said:
collint0101 said:

Adoption is one thing but it says nothing about our overburdened foster care system. Aside from that I find it ironic that the pro life crowd is mostly made up of republicans that actively stand against programs such as free and reduced lunch, better and more efficient public education spending, government backed daycare, universal healthcare, more expansive paternity leave for both mothers and fathers ect that would actually benefit these children. The inability to properly care for a child is one of the biggest reasons people want an abortion in the first place. 

Well there are probably people who are pro life that are against the things you mentioned but from my experience most people who are pro life just think that life is sacred period.

And that's part of the problem. They'll do everything to make sure that baby is born but once it's out they're on their own. Our foster care to prison pipeline is ridiculous but I don't see many pro lifers trying to do anything to improve the actual lives of these children. They're not pro life they're pro birth because birth is sacred but more often than not these people are voting against programs that would positively impact the lives of unaborted children. 



NightlyPoe said:
collint0101 said:

Adoption is one thing but it says nothing about our overburdened foster care system. Aside from that I find it ironic that the pro life crowd is mostly made up of republicans that actively stand against programs such as free and reduced lunch, better and more efficient public education spending, government backed daycare, universal healthcare, more expansive paternity leave for both mothers and fathers ect that would actually benefit these children. The inability to properly care for a child is one of the biggest reasons people want an abortion in the first place. 

Opposing homocide has nothing to do with any of those programs.  In fact, it puts you in a terrible moral position where you say we must cull the herd if we don't provide XYZ programs.

I don't like abortion but oftentimes it is the result of a parent not being able to properly care for a child. You see it as culling the herd but to me it's about the mother making the choice based upon whether or not they can provide for their child. I can guarantee you abortion rates would instantly go down the moment day care becomes drastically more affordable and accessable. 



collint0101 said:
NightlyPoe said:

Opposing homocide has nothing to do with any of those programs.  In fact, it puts you in a terrible moral position where you say we must cull the herd if we don't provide XYZ programs.

I don't like abortion but oftentimes it is the result of a parent not being able to properly care for a child. You see it as culling the herd but to me it's about the mother making the choice based upon whether or not they can provide for their child. I can guarantee you abortion rates would instantly go down the moment day care becomes drastically more affordable and accessable. 

My problem with it is that these people are killing another life because it inconveniences them. It's a hard decision for someone to give up their child for adoption or foster care but honestly the kid is better off alive than to be killed.