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"If you went 5 years ago that sky was brown and now if you go that sky is blue" -Kamala Harris.



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Biden might have the best education plan.



I leave this thread for 5 days and I come back to 200+ posts of Sharpiegate until the mods try to direct conversation from that and the conversation continues for the rest of the thread under the more general topic of "Does Donald Trump Lie?" And it's all liberals presenting evidence straight from Trump's mouth and two people engaging in bad faith with that evidence. For 5 fucking days worth of posts. God bless the-pi-guy for taking on the job of managing this thread, and for trying to change the subject to the minimum wage, for however long that worked. This thread has a serious chronic problem that won't get better until the bad faith actors are dealt with.



jason1637 said:
"If you went 5 years ago that sky was brown and now if you go that sky is blue" -Kamala Harris.

I thought she said 15 or 20 years ago.  I missed it if she said 5 years ago.  None of my live updates are referencing it either.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

SpokenTruth said:
jason1637 said:
"If you went 5 years ago that sky was brown and now if you go that sky is blue" -Kamala Harris.

I thought she said 15 or 20 years ago.  I missed it if she said 5 years ago.  None of my live updates are referencing it either.

She said "Twenty".



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sundin13 said:
SpokenTruth said:

I thought she said 15 or 20 years ago.  I missed it if she said 5 years ago.  None of my live updates are referencing it either.

She said "Twenty".

Thanks.  I thought that was what it sounded like.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

So, this debate sucks. Best debate for Biden by far, because of how boring it has been. I believe we will see nothing change.

We need in depth conversations about these issues, not one minute overviews...



SpokenTruth said:
jason1637 said:
"If you went 5 years ago that sky was brown and now if you go that sky is blue" -Kamala Harris.

I thought she said 15 or 20 years ago.  I missed it if she said 5 years ago.  None of my live updates are referencing it either.

I heard 5 but it was 20. Found a fact check. https://www.ktbs.com/weather/headlines/fact-checking-presidential-candidates-at-the-cnn-climate-town-hall/article_94b25aa0-f86a-52c1-b9d6-8572014bb25e.html



sundin13 said:
So, this debate sucks. Best debate for Biden by far, because of how boring it has been. I believe we will see nothing change.

We need in depth conversations about these issues, not one minute overviews...

This is the problem with such a huge field of candidates. 



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

SpokenTruth said:
sundin13 said:
So, this debate sucks. Best debate for Biden by far, because of how boring it has been. I believe we will see nothing change.

We need in depth conversations about these issues, not one minute overviews...

This is the problem with such a huge field of candidates. 

I feel like it is also a problem with the debate format. I believe with good moderating, you can have good conversations even in a large field. You just need to abandon this format and allow candidates to come together. We don't need to give Biden a minute, then Warren a minute, then Sanders a minute, then every other candidate one minute. Warren and Sanders are on the same page. Most of the other candidates are on the same page. There are basically three healthcare proposals on that stage: Medicare for All; Medicare for All who want it; and Obamacare+Public Option.

Have a discussion about these options, allowing ideas to take the center stage instead of individuals.