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sundin13 said:
EricHiggin said:

"That said, if this were a normal presidency".

This right here. It's not a typical presidency, especially when it comes to the constant bombardment against the President. He's not the only one to get heat, but he sure does get way more than what's typical, and more B.S. nonsense along with it. Two entire years of constantly being smeared as a Russian pawn, only to find out there's little to no evidence of that? At least the opposition were willing to be the grown up's and apologize when the report was finished and Trump was cleared... or did they just jump to the next smear campaign? Hmmm...

You hear a lot about what Trump should do, like maybe, not always taking all the credit. When he does do that though, it get's disregarded or is a bad thing or it's just not good enough. Why bother trying to please people who obviously can't be pleased? If you won't hold yourself to the same basic decent human standards that you ask of someone else, then don't expect other people to act on what you preach.

The Report: This report doesn't exonerate Trump
Trump: Complete exoneration

Just because the president says it, doesn't mean it is true. Meanwhile, you can't really ask "why wasn't he charged if he is guilty", when the Attorney General (who he appointed) literally said that a sitting president cannot be charged.

That said, while Trump does get a lot of bad coverage, he does a lot of really stupid things. You can't really compare the coverage of one president to another when Trump is so universally atypical. Most of the time, when Trump is getting flak, it is either because he deserved or because he instigated it. He doesn't get a free pass on stupid bullshit just because he does a lot of stupid bullshit...

So the people who took his weather report as truth are to blame since he's the President and just because he says it, doesn't make it true?

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder".



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EricHiggin said:

Trump doesn't run the restaurant and he doesn't run the weather networks, yet he's to blame for weather related comments but not food related?

Ugh...

He isn't being blamed for things "the weather networks" said. He is being blamed for things he said.

From his mouth.

Which is his.

Mouth.

No matter how many awful, awful metaphors you pull out, you cannot distract from this fact. Trump is being criticized for the wrong things that he said. That is exactly how criticism is supposed to work.

Note: But yeah, we are supposed to move on from this subject. My earlier comment was about Trump's culpability generally, not about the weather incident specifically. I suggest you do the same.

EricHiggin said:
sundin13 said:

The Report: This report doesn't exonerate Trump
Trump: Complete exoneration

Just because the president says it, doesn't mean it is true. Meanwhile, you can't really ask "why wasn't he charged if he is guilty", when the Attorney General (who he appointed) literally said that a sitting president cannot be charged.

That said, while Trump does get a lot of bad coverage, he does a lot of really stupid things. You can't really compare the coverage of one president to another when Trump is so universally atypical. Most of the time, when Trump is getting flak, it is either because he deserved or because he instigated it. He doesn't get a free pass on stupid bullshit just because he does a lot of stupid bullshit...

So the people who took his weather report as truth are to blame since he's the President and just because he says it, doesn't make it true?

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder".

What the fuck does this even attempt to mean?

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I thought we were done talking about the weather?



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tsogud said:
EricHiggin said:

So the American people should put their faith and trust in those "corrupted hacks"?

Taking a long time in this case equates to either political strategy to align with the election campaign to try and stop Trumps possible re-election, or because they aren't going to bother but won't let it go because it somehow keeps the base wound up.

Where have you been? Have you had your eyes closed the entire time? Almost the entire political establishment are corrupted hacks save for a few. 45 is a corrupted hack, Pence, Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell obviously is, etc. it could go on.

You may need to research more on the report and what it actually says or maybe just read it yourself. Also you went back on what taking a long time means, first you said it meant he was cleared now you say it's a political strategy. If your opinion changed and it's the latter, I'd agree with that, I believe they should've got on with the proceedings way sooner.

So the corrupted hacks are going to bring justice to another corrupted hack? That's like saying I can't wait for that known murderer to kill that other known murderer.

Went back? Flip flopped? So he did collude with the Russians? Seems to me the only thing they are trying to go after him for is obstruction. Obstructing the case about collusion that never happened which he knew. That's like attempting to send person A to jail for trying to stop person B from beating up person A, for something they thought person A did, but didn't do. Person A should've just took the ass kicking?



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Our healthcare is yours free!
Science save our land, harnessing the breeze,
Oh planet Earth, smoke weed and ferment yeast.
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sundin13 said:
EricHiggin said:

Trump doesn't run the restaurant and he doesn't run the weather networks, yet he's to blame for weather related comments but not food related?

Ugh...

He isn't being blamed for things "the weather networks" said. He is being blamed for things he said.

From his mouth.

Which is his.

Mouth.

No matter how many awful, awful metaphors you pull out, you cannot distract from this fact. Trump is being criticized for the wrong things that he said. That is exactly how criticism is supposed to work.

Note: But yeah, we are supposed to move on from this subject. My earlier comment was about Trump's culpability generally, not about the weather incident specifically. I suggest you do the same.

EricHiggin said:

So the people who took his weather report as truth are to blame since he's the President and just because he says it, doesn't make it true?

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder".

What the fuck does this even attempt to mean?

Selective criticism, sure. Who's choosing?

It means what seems stupid to you, isn't necessarily stupid to others.



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True social law, in all of us demand.
With cattle farts, we view sea rise,
Our North sinking slowly.
From far and snide, oh planet Earth, 
Our healthcare is yours free!
Science save our land, harnessing the breeze,
Oh planet Earth, smoke weed and ferment yeast.
Oh planet Earth, ell gee bee queue and tee.

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Baalzamon said:
I thought we were done talking about the weather?

I had started writing my post before the, 'cut the weather crap' post had gone up. Once mine went up shortly after I was expecting another warning, but maybe due to the timing they decided to let it go. It's somewhat moving away from that topic anyway, and right back into past topics that won't likely lead to consensus anyway either.



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Oh planet Earth! The home of native lands, 
True social law, in all of us demand.
With cattle farts, we view sea rise,
Our North sinking slowly.
From far and snide, oh planet Earth, 
Our healthcare is yours free!
Science save our land, harnessing the breeze,
Oh planet Earth, smoke weed and ferment yeast.
Oh planet Earth, ell gee bee queue and tee.

EricHiggin said:
sundin13 said:

Ugh...

He isn't being blamed for things "the weather networks" said. He is being blamed for things he said.

From his mouth.

Which is his.

Mouth.

No matter how many awful, awful metaphors you pull out, you cannot distract from this fact. Trump is being criticized for the wrong things that he said. That is exactly how criticism is supposed to work.

Note: But yeah, we are supposed to move on from this subject. My earlier comment was about Trump's culpability generally, not about the weather incident specifically. I suggest you do the same.

What the fuck does this even attempt to mean?

Selective criticism, sure. Who's choosing?

It means what seems stupid to you, isn't necessarily stupid to others.

Yes, humans get to choose when they criticize something. Like, what?

By all means, feel free to rebut criticism whenever you feel like it, but it seems like most of your defenses have been just awful. Like, comparing Trump's comments to a restaurant review. That is bad. That is real bad. 

That is the problem with most defenses of Trump. They are often real bad. Like, you brought up the whole Russia Report not too long ago. You know, the report which outlined numerous examples of Obstruction of Justice and said a lot of things that look reaaal bad for the president. Defenses seem to either be "Obstruction of Justice is totally cool, guys", "Yeah, but what about something else" or "TOTALLY EXONERATED. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO."

You can feel free to come to whatever opinion you desire, but it isn't some sort of conspiracy when other look at those bad arguments and go "Oh. That right there is a bad argument. Huh.". If your stupid-o-meter isn't going off from this shit almost every day than you should probably get that checked out because either it is busted, or you are part of the stupid problems.



EricHiggin said:
tsogud said:

Where have you been? Have you had your eyes closed the entire time? Almost the entire political establishment are corrupted hacks save for a few. 45 is a corrupted hack, Pence, Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell obviously is, etc. it could go on.

You may need to research more on the report and what it actually says or maybe just read it yourself. Also you went back on what taking a long time means, first you said it meant he was cleared now you say it's a political strategy. If your opinion changed and it's the latter, I'd agree with that, I believe they should've got on with the proceedings way sooner.

So the corrupted hacks are going to bring justice to another corrupted hack? That's like saying I can't wait for that known murderer to kill that other known murderer.

Went back? Flip flopped? So he did collude with the Russians? Seems to me the only thing they are trying to go after him for is obstruction. Obstructing the case about collusion that never happened which he knew. That's like attempting to send person A to jail for trying to stop person B from beating up person A, for something they thought person A did, but didn't do. Person A should've just took the ass kicking?

No. That's absolutely not what it's like. I suggest you learn more about the topic before you make an absolute statement about it. 45 is a corrupted hack and yet here you are throwing out facts in order to defend him and don't care that he's corrupted but somehow you care when it's a democrat?? Seems inconsistent and biased. And if Nancy Pelosi had it her way I'm sure she wouldn't impeach but she's getting pressure from others, like AOC, to do so.

You can think whatever you like but don't be surprised when you get challenged for saying something so blatantly false.

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EricHiggin said:

So the corrupted hacks are going to bring justice to another corrupted hack? That's like saying I can't wait for that known murderer to kill that other known murderer.

Went back? Flip flopped? So he did collude with the Russians? Seems to me the only thing they are trying to go after him for is obstruction. Obstructing the case about collusion that never happened which he knew. That's like attempting to send person A to jail for trying to stop person B from beating up person A, for something they thought person A did, but didn't do. Person A should've just took the ass kicking?

You obviously didn't read the report or watch the Mueller testimony before Congress.  Do you really want me to bring out all 10 instances of obstruction of justice or his testimony on it?



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EricHiggin said:

Went back? Flip flopped? So he did collude with the Russians? Seems to me the only thing they are trying to go after him for is obstruction. Obstructing the case about collusion that never happened which he knew. That's like attempting to send person A to jail for trying to stop person B from beating up person A, for something they thought person A did, but didn't do. Person A should've just took the ass kicking?

>That's like attempting to send person A to jail for trying to stop person B from beating up person A, for something they thought person A did, but didn't do.

What.  

An investigation of the facts is not an ass kicking.  The fact that you think there's an analogy between those two situations is....  I don't even know what that is.  

It'd be more like person A getting arrested for illegally trying to get person B fired because person A thinks that person B is going beat them up.  That would be a semi-accurate analogy using your terms.