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SpokenTruth said:
Bandorr said:

"I’m going to surround myself only with the best and most serious people."

-Donald Trump, August 30, 2016

Hashtag DraintheSwamp!

SpokenTruth said:

On a more light-hearted note, Trump's own election campaign Twitter account failed to understand pop culture in the most extreme way this morning.

ROFLMAO!

And everybody pointing out that not only is he the villain, but that he failed at that exact moment...

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Bofferbrauer2 said:
SpokenTruth said:

"I’m going to surround myself only with the best and most serious people."

-Donald Trump, August 30, 2016

Hashtag DraintheSwamp!

SpokenTruth said:

Trump is the Swamp.

He brought corruption into the whitehouse on a style not seen before.
Also Nepotism, how many family + friends, got work in the whitehouse, and titles they wheren't qualified for?

Its crazy theres like ~15 ppl in the whitehouse, who got a job basically because their family.

Trump ran on the slogan "drain the swamp" (ei. get rid of the political elites, the rich, and the corruption)
(the irony is he is all that, but somehow his voters ate that lie)



Bofferbrauer2 said:
SpokenTruth said:

"I’m going to surround myself only with the best and most serious people."

-Donald Trump, August 30, 2016

Hashtag DraintheSwamp!

SpokenTruth said:

On a more light-hearted note, Trump's own election campaign Twitter account failed to understand pop culture in the most extreme way this morning.

ROFLMAO!

And everybody pointing out that not only is he the villain, but that he failed at that exact moment...

The funny part is that its not even surprising that his administration isn't even smart enough to understand the context.  



The professionals of the MSM didn't mention any of this. Now who to believe?



EricHiggin said:

The professionals of the MSM didn't mention any of this. Now who to believe?

I would like to ask you a question.  What do you believe in.  Do you believe in abuse of power, obstruction of justice, lies and manipulation of facts and information.  The reason I ask this question since you brought up this video is that you cannot have it both ways.  You cannot use this video as stating one thing and then ignore anything else that shows the say but to something you do not support.  Lets get your thoughts on record first before we start to bring up a lot of othe info.



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Why are you even asking Eric that? He will just post another video to say what he believes in.



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Baalzamon said:
Why are you even asking Eric that? He will just post another video to say what he believes in.

Lol, I miss Eric, its been a while so I thought I give him something to do between videos.



So much kindness, and polite comments. Am I in the wrong thread? lol

I believe in balance. Thread seemed to be leaning a little heavy to one side. Fat kid and a skinny kid on a teeter totter is no fun for either.

I realize pointing this clip out is somewhat hypocritical as it applies to both sides over time, but if we're going to focus strongly on that, then the conversation is over before it started because politics practically wouldn't exist, or would be an utter lost cause, since every single politician would be ousted, and President impeached.

So since we can't have that, what do we do, besides the political circus that exists today?

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RolStoppable said:

scottslater said:

RolStoppable said:

Trump's strongest supporters are very much alike to the people who vote for far-right political parties in Europe. What such people have in common is a wrong idea of what freedom of speech means. The actual idea of freedom of speech is that people are able to voice their opinions and people who disagree are able to voice their opinions too. But people with far-right attitudes interpret freedom of speech as something else, so they will commonly say that they can't voice their opinions anymore. They have that impression because they face disagreement and that's something they have a hard time coping with.

Trump supporters are not and have not been silenced on this website. However, just like a state's idea of freedom of speech that isn't 100% freedom but punishes hate speech and the like, VGC also has limits along those lines.

If I imagine myself as a more moderate Trump supporter, I have to ask myself how I would be able to stick up for Trump's administration. Trump himself does stupid things on a weekly basis and then follows up with headscratching explanations why he did stupid things in the first place. If I tried to take Trump's side, I'd make myself a laughing stock in a short amount of time because I wouldn't be able to have any respectable consistency when the president himself continues to undermine everything. So that's what I would pin down as the main reason why there aren't more people on this website who take Trump's side. They may support his policies, but Trump runs the day-to-day business in such a horrible fashion that he becomes indefensible in no time.

lol, right... There is a difference between facing disagreement and being attacked... There is no denying that most centrist and right-leaning individuals fear being attacked far more than left-leaning individuals because that is the way it is right now in most public forums.  How many Democrat politicians are attacked at their homes, while out to dinner, etc? How many people wearing a hat or pin that supports a Democrat fear being attacked? Just in the last couple weeks you have had CHILDREN attacked for wearing something that supports Trump.

If I was a moderate Trump supporter there is no way that I would support anything that is coming from the Media, far left politicians, etc.  A vote for Trump doesn't mean you support Trump but rather don't support what the other side is "offering" right now.  If you don't see the trend of Centrists, Independents, Moderate Democrats, etc supporting "Trump" right now then you are in denial or don't pay attention.  The Far Left is in full attack mode and many of the "silent" voters cannot and will not support that. 

@scottslater About the only reason why someone would have to fear being attacked is because they know deep down within that they have no substantial counter-arguments. Your response highlights the paranoia that is widespread among people who vote far-right - which in the USA feeds into the spectrum of the Republican party; by screaming "Fake news!" over and over again, Trump has accomplished the feat that a significant portion of the USA doesn't believe in rebuttals with facts anymore because every fact against Trump must be fake by default. I doubt that children were attacked for wearing something that supports Trump; if such a case exists, then it would be the parents of those children that were attacked for using their children as political tools.

As far as I know, the Democrats gained seats during the mid-term election, so the trend you speak of seems to be imaginary. I certainly believe that many votes that Trump got were votes against Hillary Clinton, but that didn't carry on until mid-term.

Are you serious right now? You just choose to ignore the recent rally in Minnesota where multiple people were physically assaulted as they left the rally? Or the students across the nation physically assaulted when they have Conservative speakers or setup a table to try and share their point of view?  A 14-year-old was recently attacked on their bus for wearing a MAGA hat.  Another was a 16-year-old High School student who wore a pin that said "Women for Trump" and was assaulted by a faculty member who removed it then wore it upside down like a trophy.  These type of cases are happening all over the nation.  There is a difference between fearing being assaulted and "not being able to argue your side".  And usually it is "Leftist" that call people names like bigot or racist because that is the only way they know how to "talk" to someone that doesn't share their point of view.

The mid-term election was easy for the Dems to win for multiple reasons, mostly because during a non-presidential election cycle it's common for supporters of the current President to not show up at polls.  If you actually do research you will see that the House of Representatives almost always changes to the other party opposite of the President during a midterm election.  If anything, the results from the 2018 midterm election were very underwhelming for Democrats.  And most of the seats that the Dems did win they won in the 2016 Presidential vote.



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SpokenTruth said:
scottslater said:

In the minority or afraid to express their support? Trump showed that there is a very large "silent majority" last election cycle.  Most people that having something against Trump feel empowered to express their vile hatred because Leftist say to do it and a large portion of the Media coverage spins it as a positive.

I've never understood this phrase by him.  I get that a segment of the population that doesn't often vote is considered 'silent' but where does the 'majority' element factor in?  He didn't get the majority of votes in 2016.  And if the notion is that he aroused a bunch of previously non-voters, he didn't even get more votes than previous Republican candidates based on population percentage.

2016 - 19.5% Trump
2012 - 19.4% Romney
2008 - 19.7% McCain
2004 - 21.2% Bush Jr
2000 - 17.9% Bush Jr
1996 - 14.5% Dole (Perot ate 8 million votes)
1992 - 15.2% Bush Sr
1988 - 20.0% Bush Sr
1984 - 23.1% Reagan
1980 - 19.3% Reagan (Anderson ate 5.7 million votes)

"Silent majority" to me isn't a reference to voting population percentage, but that there is a large portion of the population that doesn't voice their stance with Trump out of fear.



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