Baalzamon said:
EricHiggin said:
Well that seems to make me think the decision was being talked about and made ahead of time, because if Trump made the decisions last minute, how did the Turks know how to mobilize for that exact time? It could also mean there was a leak, which shouldn't have happened, but based on America's intelligence branches and there leaks over the last couple of years, well. If a leak did come from American intelligence to make the problem much worse, then considering who's been doing the majority of the leaking, and who it typically impacts, I'd say both sides are partially to blame.
If what other countries do or say doesn't matter, then who cares about anything related to Russia? They're just sticking their noses into America's business, so who cares? Russia sticking it's nose into America's election impacted the outcome you say? Well you know what would impact the outcome of the Kurd/Turk conflict right now? Another country who's capable, getting involved and helping solve the problem. Does one matter, yet the other doesn't, even though they both effect America?
Lastly, let's say you help a newly acquired friend financially who was slightly in debt, partially because nobody else will even though their capable, and because it will likely lead to a positive outcome for both of you. Now what if that friend get's kidnapped and held for a costly ransom like a month afterwards? If you don't pay that ransom to get them released, does that make you a terrible person, considering you tried to help a little in the first place? What about this friends parents, siblings, cousins, friends, etc, who all don't want this unfortunate soul to face the consequences? Do they factor into this at all? If they decide not to help out, does the finger get pointed solely at you, because you're the newest ally who decided to help a little bit?
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The problem with your scenario is this wouldn't be helping the friend who got kidnapped with the ransom.
In your situation, what the US did was lend money to the person, then like 3 days later, took it all back and said sorry, you actually need to deal with this on your own.
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I don't think you're following. I'm not saying what would be right or wrong, just presenting another way to look at it.
To help or not to help a new friend afterwards, even though you helped in the first place in another scenario, which benefited you to some degree.
Based on what was being argued, was that the new friend should go out of their way, to find a way, to get the ransom paid in this new scenario and not give up, while also having all the blame put on them, because the blame isn't to be shared with anyone else involved, or who could help, who also felt someone should do something.
*Think I see where you got confused. The very last line maybe should have ended with, 'decided to help a little bit in the first place'. That seemed apparent to me at the time since I was referencing a prior line, but looking at it another way, I can see why it may have been confusing.
Last edited by EricHiggin - on 16 October 2019
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