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EricHiggin said:

Machiavellian said:

You just called the books fiction.  As to the rest of the sentence, yeah, ok, sounds like a lot of waffling going on.

Lol at bolded.  I never seen someone waffle as much as you. You would have been better off not saying anything on that point.  Really, we all know it was just another hyperbolic statement from Trump but you actually are trying to justify it.  Lol, you bring a smile to my face during these conversations as you try to justify every dumb statement from Trump.  

Interesting enough, I was reading some psychology books and came across the Dunning-Kruger effect.  I should have know they would have a condition for Trump already spelled out.

Anyway this should be fun.  As we continue this conversation, I will bring up more dumb hyperbolic statements from Trump and you can have the fun of finding ways to justify them.

I just asked a question like you did. I eat waffles for breakfast.

So your saying it's not possible for a person to have higher standards than the available people they're able to hire in a given amount of time? Then why are we bothering to try and get to Mars? Might as well just lower our standards to the moon because we know we can achieve that apparently. What kind of idiot would even dare strive for Mars... Are they idiots?

The irony of the DK effect, is that those who point out others who suffer from it, may very well have it backwards, and not know it.

Your right, this is fun.

What I am saying is that your defense of a dumb hyperbolic statement is just that waffling.  You have no clue what Trump's standards are and neither do I.  So trying to paint that he has some high standards is garbage.  So why don't you give examples of exactly the high standards you can prove Trump has for being President.  I await your reply.

At Bolded: Lol, why don't you school me on the DK effect.  This should be interesting.



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Biggerboat1 said:
EricHiggin said:

I'm saying if you didn't think about the fact that the wind was blowing, and in what direction, pissing into the wind would get you covered in urine. Who wouldn't take the wind and it's direction into account? Who's mindlessly ok with drenching themselves in piss? Just looking at Trumps turnover rate vs other Presidents doesn't take anything else into account, and to assume Trump is mindlessly hiring and firing people just to pass the time would be foolish.

Based on your apples to apples argument, all people would have to argue climate change is a difference in temperature, that's it. No CO2 levels, no ocean levels, just temperature. Who's going to agree climate change is definitely a problem if you can't use causes to back it up? Who's going to be able to agree why Trump is firing so many people if all we can look at is the turnover rate and that's it?

The same if not a somewhat lesser percentage than previous administrations due to the extra complexity that exists today.

I think it would help everyone if you'd stop muddying the waters with endless half-baked metaphors and just dealt with the facts at hand. Pissing into the wind, climate change, travelling to Mars - you're all over the place...

I do think that there are different factors at play in Trump's case and I think that he's responsible for almost all of them.

Saying dumb, contradictory shit every other sentence, being the most divisive President in living memory, deliberately picking fights with... everyone... I can only imagine what working for that nut-case would be like - don't think I'd last long tbh. You really don't need to be Columbo to deduce why there's a revolving door - you just refuse to see it.

Twitter and the media weren't invented the day Trump came into office you know!

Well being more direct got me nowhere when it was insisted that only Trumps numbers vs prior Presidents was the only factor that needed to be taken in account. Instead of taking the same approach and beating a dead horse, I tried a different approach and it worked, since we've moved past it now, so I'd have to say it did help.

Based on what I've seen or heard about Trump, I've worked for way worse people. It wasn't the best case scenario and some of my bosses were real a holes and one in particular was an absolute moron and only had the job because of a close family connection, and yet I never quit. Now there were a few guys who did quit over the years for that very reason, but it wasn't a surprise and was as much of a relief as getting a new boss would have been because they whined about everything, all the time.

Social media has been around for 10-15 years, the msm has been around for 100 or so but much more prominent and wide reaching over the last 50 or so years, and newspapers have been around for hundreds of years. The wider the reach of any type of media, the more freedom for the people, but more problems that can also arise. 

Machiavellian said:
EricHiggin said:

I just asked a question like you did. I eat waffles for breakfast.

So your saying it's not possible for a person to have higher standards than the available people they're able to hire in a given amount of time? Then why are we bothering to try and get to Mars? Might as well just lower our standards to the moon because we know we can achieve that apparently. What kind of idiot would even dare strive for Mars... Are they idiots?

The irony of the DK effect, is that those who point out others who suffer from it, may very well have it backwards, and not know it.

Your right, this is fun.

What I am saying is that your defense of a dumb hyperbolic statement is just that waffling.  You have no clue what Trump's standards are and neither do I.  So trying to paint that he has some high standards is garbage.  So why don't you give examples of exactly the high standards you can prove Trump has for being President.  I await your reply.

At Bolded: Lol, why don't you school me on the DK effect.  This should be interesting.

When you take political leaders to your home instead of the WH to impress them. Definitely a low standards minimalist.

You just pointed out you've done a bunch of reading on it, enough to make an observation that Trump fits the profile of the psychological issue itself, and now you want me to explain it to you?



The Canadian National Anthem According To Justin Trudeau

 

Oh planet Earth! The home of native lands, 
True social law, in all of us demand.
With cattle farts, we view sea rise,
Our North sinking slowly.
From far and snide, oh planet Earth, 
Our healthcare is yours free!
Science save our land, harnessing the breeze,
Oh planet Earth, smoke weed and ferment yeast.
Oh planet Earth, ell gee bee queue and tee.

EricHiggin said:
Biggerboat1 said:

I think it would help everyone if you'd stop muddying the waters with endless half-baked metaphors and just dealt with the facts at hand. Pissing into the wind, climate change, travelling to Mars - you're all over the place...

I do think that there are different factors at play in Trump's case and I think that he's responsible for almost all of them.

Saying dumb, contradictory shit every other sentence, being the most divisive President in living memory, deliberately picking fights with... everyone... I can only imagine what working for that nut-case would be like - don't think I'd last long tbh. You really don't need to be Columbo to deduce why there's a revolving door - you just refuse to see it.

Twitter and the media weren't invented the day Trump came into office you know!

Well being more direct got me nowhere when it was insisted that only Trumps numbers vs prior Presidents was the only factor that needed to be taken in account. Instead of taking the same approach and beating a dead horse, I tried a different approach and it worked, since we've moved past it now, so I'd have to say it did help.

Based on what I've seen or heard about Trump, I've worked for way worse people. It wasn't the best case scenario and some of my bosses were real a holes and one in particular was an absolute moron and only had the job because of a close family connection, and yet I never quit. Now there were a few guys who did quit over the years for that very reason, but it wasn't a surprise and was as much of a relief as getting a new boss would have been because they whined about everything, all the time.

Social media has been around for 10-15 years, the msm has been around for 100 or so but much more prominent and wide reaching over the last 50 or so years, and newspapers have been around for hundreds of years. The wider the reach of any type of media, the more freedom for the people, but more problems that can also arise. 

Machiavellian said:

What I am saying is that your defense of a dumb hyperbolic statement is just that waffling.  You have no clue what Trump's standards are and neither do I.  So trying to paint that he has some high standards is garbage.  So why don't you give examples of exactly the high standards you can prove Trump has for being President.  I await your reply.

At Bolded: Lol, why don't you school me on the DK effect.  This should be interesting.

When you take political leaders to your home instead of the WH to impress them. Definitely a low standards minimalist.

You just pointed out you've done a bunch of reading on it, enough to make an observation that Trump fits the profile of the psychological issue itself, and now you want me to explain it to you?

Damn thats a really nice living room. It's pretty obvious that Trump was trying to flex on Shinzo Abe.



Yes Trump being a narcissist with an obsession on appearances is definitely proof that he has high standards for hiring tbe best people and doing the best job he can do.  

"Check out my gold mansion." -ManOfThePeople



jason1637 said:
EricHiggin said:

When you take political leaders to your home instead of the WH to impress them. Definitely a low standards minimalist.

Damn thats a really nice living room. It's pretty obvious that Trump was trying to flex on Shinzo Abe.

Flexin on lil Mac too.



The Canadian National Anthem According To Justin Trudeau

 

Oh planet Earth! The home of native lands, 
True social law, in all of us demand.
With cattle farts, we view sea rise,
Our North sinking slowly.
From far and snide, oh planet Earth, 
Our healthcare is yours free!
Science save our land, harnessing the breeze,
Oh planet Earth, smoke weed and ferment yeast.
Oh planet Earth, ell gee bee queue and tee.

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EricHiggin said:
Machiavellian said:

What I am saying is that your defense of a dumb hyperbolic statement is just that waffling.  You have no clue what Trump's standards are and neither do I.  So trying to paint that he has some high standards is garbage.  So why don't you give examples of exactly the high standards you can prove Trump has for being President.  I await your reply.

At Bolded: Lol, why don't you school me on the DK effect.  This should be interesting.

When you take political leaders to your home instead of the WH to impress them. Definitely a low standards minimalist.

You just pointed out you've done a bunch of reading on it, enough to make an observation that Trump fits the profile of the psychological issue itself, and now you want me to explain it to you?

So is that picture suppose to represent Trump high standards for hiring staff.  Lol, you make this to easy.  Its like playing with a child in their early troll stage.  Once challenge they run out of ideals and resort to nonsense.

So you are saying you have no clue about the DK effect.  Just as I thought, all mouth no action.  When tasked to prove your words you come up short, thanks for playing.  Try better to troll next time.

pm sent -the-pi-guy

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Machiavellian said:
EricHiggin said:

When you take political leaders to your home instead of the WH to impress them. Definitely a low standards minimalist.

You just pointed out you've done a bunch of reading on it, enough to make an observation that Trump fits the profile of the psychological issue itself, and now you want me to explain it to you?

So is that picture suppose to represent Trump high standards for hiring staff.  Lol, you make this to easy.  Its like playing with a child in their early troll stage.  Once challenge they run out of ideals and resort to nonsense.

So you are saying you have no clue about the DK effect.  Just as I thought, all mouth no action.  When tasked to prove your words you come up short, thanks for playing.  Try better to troll next time.

Sorry to interfere but is it that important?It is a bundle of personal treats and it is not a condition but its just a form of denial mostly formed by ego and upbringing.(And you could say that to some degree most people have it)

It is interesting to talk about mental health and personality treats but it might be just more fruitfull to talk about real political topics in here instead of lingering on hypothesises given a name and that is already difficult to argue about with people in the same political field.

I kinda lean to your side of believing that he has a good chance to have those different personal treats although the "effect" name should have no weight at all and i do not agree with making those kind of collectives but thats just me and that is also offtopic. :p



Immersiveunreality said:
Machiavellian said:

So is that picture suppose to represent Trump high standards for hiring staff.  Lol, you make this to easy.  Its like playing with a child in their early troll stage.  Once challenge they run out of ideals and resort to nonsense.

So you are saying you have no clue about the DK effect.  Just as I thought, all mouth no action.  When tasked to prove your words you come up short, thanks for playing.  Try better to troll next time.

Sorry to interfere but is it that important?It is a bundle of personal treats and it is not a condition but its just a form of denial mostly formed by ego and upbringing.(And you could say that to some degree most people have it)

It is interesting to talk about mental health and personality treats but it might be just more fruitfull to talk about real political topics in here instead of lingering on hypothesises given a name and that is already difficult to argue about with people in the same political field.

I kinda lean to your side of believing that he has a good chance to have those different personal treats although the "effect" name should have no weight at all and i do not agree with making those kind of collectives but thats just me and that is also offtopic. :p

Trump is the embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect.  When you claim to be a stable genius and claim to know more about dozens of random topics than anybody while simultaneously exhibiting the opposite.....that's one end of the Dunning-Kruger effect.  The incompetent claim they are competent and yet are too incompetent to realize they are not competent while on the other end of the spectrum the competent downplay their competence because they are competent enough to recognize how much more their is to know.

If you know a little about something but are unaware just how deep the knowledge base on that subject goes, you are more likely to overstate how much of that subject you are competent in.  If you know a lot about something and are aware of just how deep the knowledge base on that subject goes, you are more likely to understate your are competent in it.

This can be further exacerbated by ego and living/working in an environment that never questions you thereby giving a greater sense of competence.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

Machiavellian said:
EricHiggin said:

When you take political leaders to your home instead of the WH to impress them. Definitely a low standards minimalist.

You just pointed out you've done a bunch of reading on it, enough to make an observation that Trump fits the profile of the psychological issue itself, and now you want me to explain it to you?

So is that picture suppose to represent Trump high standards for hiring staff.  Lol, you make this to easy.  Its like playing with a child in their early troll stage.  Once challenge they run out of ideals and resort to nonsense.

So you are saying you have no clue about the DK effect.  Just as I thought, all mouth no action.  When tasked to prove your words you come up short, thanks for playing.  Try better to troll next time.

You asked for proof of high standards. I showed not one but two. How many do you specifically require? Will I get a bone if I show more? Why would you assume If he has standards that high when it comes to those types of things, that his standards for the people that work for him would be much lower? How do you think he paid for all that gold and bling, which likely also helped get him that woman? Lazy, useless, good for nothing staff? That's the formula for success alright!

No, I'm saying I'm not a dog and your not the master and we're not playing fetch. You brought up the DK effect, and were quite certain Trump falls under it, and I simply pointed out don't be so sure, since the effect itself points out exactly that. If you're so sure someone else falls into it, then quite possibly, you yourself may very well fall into it as well, if not worse. Maybe, maybe not.

Since I pointed this out already, and instead of proving your words, you simply tried to put the onus on me.... Hmm...



The Canadian National Anthem According To Justin Trudeau

 

Oh planet Earth! The home of native lands, 
True social law, in all of us demand.
With cattle farts, we view sea rise,
Our North sinking slowly.
From far and snide, oh planet Earth, 
Our healthcare is yours free!
Science save our land, harnessing the breeze,
Oh planet Earth, smoke weed and ferment yeast.
Oh planet Earth, ell gee bee queue and tee.

EricHiggin said:
Machiavellian said:

So is that picture suppose to represent Trump high standards for hiring staff.  Lol, you make this to easy.  Its like playing with a child in their early troll stage.  Once challenge they run out of ideals and resort to nonsense.

So you are saying you have no clue about the DK effect.  Just as I thought, all mouth no action.  When tasked to prove your words you come up short, thanks for playing.  Try better to troll next time.

You asked for proof of high standards. I showed not one but two. How many do you specifically require? Will I get a bone if I show more? Why would you assume If he has standards that high when it comes to those types of things, that his standards for the people that work for him would be much lower? How do you think he paid for all that gold and bling, which likely also helped get him that woman? Lazy, useless, good for nothing staff? That's the formula for success alright!

No, I'm saying I'm not a dog and your not the master and we're not playing fetch. You brought up the DK effect, and were quite certain Trump falls under it, and I simply pointed out don't be so sure, since the effect itself points out exactly that. If you're so sure someone else falls into it, then quite possibly, you yourself may very well fall into it as well, if not worse. Maybe, maybe not.

Since I pointed this out already, and instead of proving your words, you simply tried to put the onus on me.... Hmm...

Because that's not how it works.  And given your insinuation that that is how it works and it is wrong....



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."