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EricHiggin said:
SpokenTruth said:

So then why does his administration have revolving door employment when other administrations did not?

Are you actually trying to tell us he has exceptionally higher standards than any other president in modern political history?

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/donald-trump-isnt-the-only-president-who-loves-firing-people.html/

https://www.elitedaily.com/p/trumps-vs-obamas-resignation-rates-are-truly-mindblowing-8440066

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/aug/04/donald-trumps-white-house-turnover-context/

Looks like Trump isn't alone when it comes to firing people either.

Link 1 - Lists one or two firings for most presidents.  Gets to Trump and points out 8 firings with a further 7 resignations. 

Link 2 - Holy crap....did you even read that article or just the headline?  It completely shows just how bad Trump's turnover rate is compared to Obama.

Link 3 - Article focuses more on how long certain cabinet secretaries lasted before fired/resigned.

You should know by now that I will read your links and use them against you if you didn't.



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The problem is that Trump has hired some people that dont know what their doing. The best person to serve under his administration is probably Nikki Haley but unfortunately she stepped down as last year.



EricHiggin said:
SpokenTruth said:

So then why does his administration have revolving door employment when other administrations did not?

Are you actually trying to tell us he has exceptionally higher standards than any other president in modern political history?

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/donald-trump-isnt-the-only-president-who-loves-firing-people.html/

https://www.elitedaily.com/p/trumps-vs-obamas-resignation-rates-are-truly-mindblowing-8440066

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/aug/04/donald-trumps-white-house-turnover-context/

Looks like Trump isn't alone when it comes to firing people either.

The problem is not the firing people or the resignations in itself, as every President has this to some degree. The problem is the rate at which it happens. Trump has already more of them than many presidents who served 2 terms while he's just halfway through one term.



EricHiggin said:
SpokenTruth said:

So then why does his administration have revolving door employment when other administrations did not?

Are you actually trying to tell us he has exceptionally higher standards than any other president in modern political history?

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/donald-trump-isnt-the-only-president-who-loves-firing-people.html/

https://www.elitedaily.com/p/trumps-vs-obamas-resignation-rates-are-truly-mindblowing-8440066

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/aug/04/donald-trumps-white-house-turnover-context/

Looks like Trump isn't alone when it comes to firing people either.

Do you even read the links you post? Or do you expect others to read them for you and report back?

It almost makes me wonder whether you're actually just a very discreet troll - who keeps it toned down enough to stay under the radar.

I mean the 2nd article's title is 'Trump's Vs. Obama's Resignation Rates Are Truly Mindblowing' and the 2nd sub-heading reads 'COMPARED TO OBAMA, TRUMP HAS LOST TONS OF STAFFERS SO FAR.'

If you're not trolling, I don't really understand why you take the time to endlessly argue these points as you almost never change your position (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here by saying almost), even when the evidence you yourself post runs counter to your point...

What's the point in engaging in a public forum when your ideas and opinions are set in stone?

I actually find it satisfying when evidence or an argument forces me to change my stance on something because it means I've learned something - which is what we all should aspire to do - no-one comes out of the womb with all of the answers!

You contribute a lot of time to this forum and come across as a smart enough guy, but trying to move you on a point is like talking to a breeze-block.

Blinkered stubbornness is not a strength.



jason1637 said:
The problem is that Trump has hired some people that dont know what their doing. The best person to serve under his administration is probably Nikki Haley but unfortunately she stepped down as last year.

You probably should wonder why she stepped down.  At some point in time, a person understands when to leave a sinking ship.  You are also correct that Trump hired and continue to hire people who do not know how to do their jobs.  The people that do know how to do their jobs are the ones getting out.  Any time you see an administration where a lot of people start to resign you know something is going on and usually at the top.

When you think about it, America voted in someone who knew nothing about the Job and also appears to not want to know.  He continue to believe he can circumvent the inplace institutions of the office like he tried to do in the public sector.  Case in point is his pick for the GOP Heath care policy.  Talk about draining the swamp and placing your own swamp monster in it place.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-rick-scott-health-care-20190329-story.html

The crazy part about the above story is that Trump is saying Rick and company is bringing a plan while Rick had to correct the situation and said the White House (The same white house that couldn't do anything before) is bringing a plan for health care.  What also makes this funny is that Trump put his trust in this guy who had this little problem below.

https://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2014/mar/03/florida-democratic-party/rick-scott-rick-scott-oversaw-largest-medicare-fra/

So yeah, trusting Trump to hire someone who isn't shady probably isn't a possibility anyone should expect any time soon.



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
EricHiggin said:

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/donald-trump-isnt-the-only-president-who-loves-firing-people.html/

https://www.elitedaily.com/p/trumps-vs-obamas-resignation-rates-are-truly-mindblowing-8440066

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/aug/04/donald-trumps-white-house-turnover-context/

Looks like Trump isn't alone when it comes to firing people either.

The problem is not the firing people or the resignations in itself, as every President has this to some degree. The problem is the rate at which it happens. Trump has already more of them than many presidents who served 2 terms while he's just halfway through one term.

Trump will continue to have more firings and resignations especially if he serve a second term because soon or later people realize he is an idiot and its best to be out of a job then go down in hell with one.  For the people who get fired, we continue to see a pattern where you here Trump asking them to do either illegal, amoral or just plan stupid things and they say no so they have to go.  The only ones that can survive within a Trump administration are the crooks.



EricHiggin said:
Machiavellian said:

The funny thing is, I believe Trump administration will have the most books written concerning the inner workings and they will all be entertaining reads.  So far, whether you read a book, hear the rumblings or interviews the common thread of them all is a disorganized cluster F***.  The thing is, this isn't anything new since this is a common theme before Trump was elected with his business.  

Also a book selling great or now has nothing to do with the analysis within the books.

As for who Trump personally hires, I would say if he doesn't have direct input in the hiring of top positions then he probably doing what he does best, nothing.  Its like the report we heard in the beginning of his presidency when people would put papers in front of him to sign and he did without reading them.  Hell, we have even recent situations where within his budget plan he has nuked funding for the special olympics and the Great Lakes since he has been in office only to suddenly find out it was his administration gutting those programs.  He even tried to take credit for not gutting them when congress always ignored his budget any way.  Its this kind of lazy stupidity that is accepted today by people who trust in Trump that is comical.

Key word is here "entertaining" and not truthful. So Trump is tough in business and politics and so it's hard for him to find good people and some quit because they can't live up to the high standards. I don't see the problem.

Fiction can also be analysed. Based on a true story... 'here's everything they got wrong...'

So if the head of a multi billion dollar business or country doesn't have the time to go through every single hire with a fine tooth comb it's because they're lazy or useless? Surely it has nothing to do with spreading the load and responsibility beyond just yourself to make things as efficient as financially possible, which is the point in hiring other people to help. Couldn't have to do with the people doing the hiring making some mistakes because everyone is perfect except for Trump. How is Trump supposed to force congress to do what he wants? Isn't that the key reason congress exists, so that the Prez can't just move ahead with whatever they want?

Who said its not truthful.  Basically you have about 3 books out there from different people.  When all is said and done, its their word over Trumps even though some of the books has quotes from other people within the administration.  Most reasonable people who has followed this administration would have a hard time believing anything coming from Trump since he has a hard time with the truth.  There is no reason to not believe these people because multiple people inside the administration have said the same thing.  If you only believe what Trump says then I would have to believe you have a Messiah complex.

As to your second paragraph, you still throwing out words that has nothing to do with what I stated.  I said top positions. You know, the ones that need the President approval so you can stop with the every single hire nonsense. Lets just limit the scope to the Cabinet positions which is the ones he personally put his signature on.  As always you totally ignore Trump personal statement that he only hires the best people.  I know, its just another thing you can ignore from Trump since it doesn't fit with your defense.



Machiavellian said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

The problem is not the firing people or the resignations in itself, as every President has this to some degree. The problem is the rate at which it happens. Trump has already more of them than many presidents who served 2 terms while he's just halfway through one term.

Trump will continue to have more firings and resignations especially if he serve a second term because soon or later people realize he is an idiot and its best to be out of a job then go down in hell with one.  For the people who get fired, we continue to see a pattern where you here Trump asking them to do either illegal, amoral or just plan stupid things and they say no so they have to go.  The only ones that can survive within a Trump administration are the crooks.

Well, he said he would run the Government like a big company. Never seen a big corporation where the executives ain't crooks, so he's delivering on that point - just differently than most people had in mind, I guess.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Machiavellian said:

Trump will continue to have more firings and resignations especially if he serve a second term because soon or later people realize he is an idiot and its best to be out of a job then go down in hell with one.  For the people who get fired, we continue to see a pattern where you here Trump asking them to do either illegal, amoral or just plan stupid things and they say no so they have to go.  The only ones that can survive within a Trump administration are the crooks.

Well, he said he would run the Government like a big company. Never seen a big corporation where the executives ain't crooks, so he's delivering on that point - just differently than most people had in mind, I guess.

Well you do have to give the man credit.  When he said he was going to drain the swamp, no one asked him what he will fill it back up with.



SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/donald-trump-isnt-the-only-president-who-loves-firing-people.html/

https://www.elitedaily.com/p/trumps-vs-obamas-resignation-rates-are-truly-mindblowing-8440066

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/aug/04/donald-trumps-white-house-turnover-context/

Looks like Trump isn't alone when it comes to firing people either.

Link 1 - Lists one or two firings for most presidents.  Gets to Trump and points out 8 firings with a further 7 resignations. 

Link 2 - Holy crap....did you even read that article or just the headline?  It completely shows just how bad Trump's turnover rate is compared to Obama.

Link 3 - Article focuses more on how long certain cabinet secretaries lasted before fired/resigned.

You should know by now that I will read your links and use them against you if you didn't.

Link 1 - "Most", and you said others didn't at all. Bigger Gov, more media attention, highly negative towards Trumps sphere, higher turnover rate?

Link 2 - A comparison to the previous opposition Prez. What's wrong with that?

Link 3 - Does this not matter?

You should know by now I've made it clear I'm not a Trump shill. My fault for trying to offer a more balanced viewpoint. My apologies...

Bofferbrauer2 said:
EricHiggin said:

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/donald-trump-isnt-the-only-president-who-loves-firing-people.html/

https://www.elitedaily.com/p/trumps-vs-obamas-resignation-rates-are-truly-mindblowing-8440066

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/aug/04/donald-trumps-white-house-turnover-context/

Looks like Trump isn't alone when it comes to firing people either.

The problem is not the firing people or the resignations in itself, as every President has this to some degree. The problem is the rate at which it happens. Trump has already more of them than many presidents who served 2 terms while he's just halfway through one term.

Well when you have people getting hired and getting fired or leaving and coming up with book deals asap it makes you wonder. Maybe the problem is the media and opposition hate towards anyone tied to Trump, and the angry mob that magically seems to act on that. Why work for Trump if you can't even sit down and eat in peace at a restaurant off hours? When you see situations like when a 'journalist' wants to argue with the Prez instead of asking questions, and then aggressively puts his hands on a woman who's kindly trying to do her job, just so he doesn't have to give up the mic, why put up with that atmosphere?

Biggerboat1 said:
EricHiggin said:

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/donald-trump-isnt-the-only-president-who-loves-firing-people.html/

https://www.elitedaily.com/p/trumps-vs-obamas-resignation-rates-are-truly-mindblowing-8440066

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/aug/04/donald-trumps-white-house-turnover-context/

Looks like Trump isn't alone when it comes to firing people either.

Do you even read the links you post? Or do you expect others to read them for you and report back?

It almost makes me wonder whether you're actually just a very discreet troll - who keeps it toned down enough to stay under the radar.

I mean the 2nd article's title is 'Trump's Vs. Obama's Resignation Rates Are Truly Mindblowing' and the 2nd sub-heading reads 'COMPARED TO OBAMA, TRUMP HAS LOST TONS OF STAFFERS SO FAR.'

If you're not trolling, I don't really understand why you take the time to endlessly argue these points as you almost never change your position (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here by saying almost), even when the evidence you yourself post runs counter to your point...

What's the point in engaging in a public forum when your ideas and opinions are set in stone?

I actually find it satisfying when evidence or an argument forces me to change my stance on something because it means I've learned something - which is what we all should aspire to do - no-one comes out of the womb with all of the answers!

You contribute a lot of time to this forum and come across as a smart enough guy, but trying to move you on a point is like talking to a breeze-block.

Blinkered stubbornness is not a strength.

I was replying to a point that said other administrations didn't have a revolving door, when apparently at least some did, depending on what level of turnover is deemed revolving door worthy.

Like I said above to ST, "You should know by now I've made it clear I'm not a Trump shill. My fault for trying to offer a more balanced viewpoint. My apologies..."

Machiavellian said:
EricHiggin said:

Key word is here "entertaining" and not truthful. So Trump is tough in business and politics and so it's hard for him to find good people and some quit because they can't live up to the high standards. I don't see the problem.

Fiction can also be analysed. Based on a true story... 'here's everything they got wrong...'

So if the head of a multi billion dollar business or country doesn't have the time to go through every single hire with a fine tooth comb it's because they're lazy or useless? Surely it has nothing to do with spreading the load and responsibility beyond just yourself to make things as efficient as financially possible, which is the point in hiring other people to help. Couldn't have to do with the people doing the hiring making some mistakes because everyone is perfect except for Trump. How is Trump supposed to force congress to do what he wants? Isn't that the key reason congress exists, so that the Prez can't just move ahead with whatever they want?

Who said its not truthful.  Basically you have about 3 books out there from different people.  When all is said and done, its their word over Trumps even though some of the books has quotes from other people within the administration.  Most reasonable people who has followed this administration would have a hard time believing anything coming from Trump since he has a hard time with the truth.  There is no reason to not believe these people because multiple people inside the administration have said the same thing.  If you only believe what Trump says then I would have to believe you have a Messiah complex.

As to your second paragraph, you still throwing out words that has nothing to do with what I stated.  I said top positions. You know, the ones that need the President approval so you can stop with the every single hire nonsense. Lets just limit the scope to the Cabinet positions which is the ones he personally put his signature on.  As always you totally ignore Trump personal statement that he only hires the best people.  I know, its just another thing you can ignore from Trump since it doesn't fit with your defense.

Who said it is? What portion of those books are direct quotes? What portion of the book needs to be truthful to make the entire thing completely factual? There's only room for one Messiah and it's not Trump.

Just because Trump hires the best people, doesn't mean they meet his standards. Good enough for now until I can find someone better is sometimes necessary when you have as much to do and as much responsibility as he has, not to mention the constant negative media coverage, warranted and not. You can't just leave positions open for extended periods and expect to make worthy progress, even if that progress you make is less than you would like it to be.



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