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I'm not familiar with his new special. I've only watched a couple episodes of his show he had.

Was there a comment similar to mine that he made?



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SpokenTruth said:
Baalzamon said:
I even saw a headline how it was just horrible that Trump was golfing on Sunday while the islands were getting battered.

For one thing, it's Sunday (not even a normal working day). For two, it wasn't even a US state being hit, so what exactly is his presidential duty at that time?

The guy apparently likes to golf. So did Obama. So do a lot of people. Let them have a little fun, for the love of God.

Baalzamon said:
I'm pretty sure the Presidential position (with the press how it is now) would literally be most effective by literally telling people nothing. Dont even have a SOTU. Just literally say no comment to everything.

Do you have any idea how much people agree with you and wish he'd just shut it?

So he lied to us about not having time to golf? Sounds like a pretty damn normal political lie. Literally the majority of what I hear most politicians spout winds up being...a lie. Do I like that our politicians lie? Nope, annoying as hell. Annoying that Trump does it, annoying that everybody does it.

Regarding the shutting up...I know a lot of people agree. Probably the same amount of people that want the likes of Bernie Sanders and Occasio Cortez to also just shut their mouths. Really, it's the amount that just want politicians out of their lives altogether.

Because wake up, it is the incredibly annoying politicians that led to Trump being elected. People were beyond sick and tired of the same exact people over and over. It's the same reason I think he has a decent chance in the next election. Because the "Democrats" who have a voice are SO SO SO far left and annoy the living hell out of the right.



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Baalzamon said:
I'm not familiar with his new special. I've only watched a couple episodes of his show he had.

Was there a comment similar to mine that he made?

No, but he basically took everything the Dems and media have been pushing for a long time now and shat all over them. He also kept Trump out of it.

I was also potentially setting you up for a come back response of, 'no comment', which would have been hilarious.



tsogud said:
KLAMarine said:

Unless those actions or rhetoric are being misrepresented in some way at which point, I can envision an intelligent, logical, rational person raising an objection.

Nope. Wrong again.

You make a compelling argument. I stand corrected.

EricHiggin said:
KLAMarine said:

I'd like to think he's admitted to error in the past, not that I would know. I don't follow the president's every move.

He has, and it tends to be when it's beyond blatantly obvious and in a situation where it will do him little to no harm, which doesn't happen all that often. The rest of the time when it's said by some that he should admit fault, it's typically unclear, or they're just repeating what the media said, or they're reading him from a completely different viewpoint, like in this situation.

It's also said that Trump has got both some lefty and righty in him, which I wouldn't disagree, so not admitting to mistakes shouldn't be that much of a surprise when that side of him shows through. A trait that seems to be much more common from that political viewpoint.

Anybody admit to you they were wrong recently when it seems they were? Anybody who happened to think Trump should admit his faults or mistakes, etc?

"Anybody admit to you they were wrong recently when it seems they were?"

>No one immediately comes to mind.



KLAMarine said:
EricHiggin said:

He has, and it tends to be when it's beyond blatantly obvious and in a situation where it will do him little to no harm, which doesn't happen all that often. The rest of the time when it's said by some that he should admit fault, it's typically unclear, or they're just repeating what the media said, or they're reading him from a completely different viewpoint, like in this situation.

It's also said that Trump has got both some lefty and righty in him, which I wouldn't disagree, so not admitting to mistakes shouldn't be that much of a surprise when that side of him shows through. A trait that seems to be much more common from that political viewpoint.

Anybody admit to you they were wrong recently when it seems they were? Anybody who happened to think Trump should admit his faults or mistakes, etc?

"Anybody admit to you they were wrong recently when it seems they were?"

>No one immediately comes to mind.

Imagine that. What's good for the goose isn't good for the gander apparently. In that game all that matters is who's the goose and who's the gander.



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the-pi-guy said:
KLAMarine said:

1.) So who altered it?

2.) So are you going to disagree that weather forecasts have elements of uncertainty? Do you want to tell me they're always 100% certain?

3.) They're both weather patterns and they're both comparable in the sense that they're both not 100% predictable.

1.)  More important is who presented it?

2,3.) Both of these are so far from being relevant to the issue that it's laughable.  If you don't understand why it's a problem for these kinds of reports, that's fine.  But if that's the case, then you're not in a position to defend the actions that you're trying to defend.  

The problem has nothing to do with Trump "predicting" or even "presenting" false weather data.  

The problem is that these reports help with emergency procedures.  If you allow false reports, you get people who don't know if they should believe reports, you get people listening to false reports.  These kinds of mistakes can potentially cost lives.  

Baalzamon said:
I just cannot believe how incredibly much people are arguing about this.

Well we can't believe someone is going to such absurd levels to avoid admitting that someone made a mistake.  

Baalzamon said:
I even saw something saying how Trump shouldn't be talking about things he isn't an expert on...uhhhhhhh I don't think most Presidents are experts on all topics they discuss.

To be honest this is something I think about a lot.  Not with regards to Trump, but any politician.  
A lot of these topics, (healthcare, economics, etc) that politicians make rules about, are things that people spend decades out of their life studying.  

It just feels like a tall order to get a few hundred people knowledgeable enough about all types of these topics, while at the same time they also need to spend a lot of time campaigning for votes and funding.  

Baalzamon said:

The guy apparently likes to golf. So did Obama. So do a lot of people. Let them have a little fun, for the love of God.

95% of the bashing about Trump golfing has nothing to do with him golfing.  It has to do with his hypocrosy.

For several years he bashed Obama for golfing.  Even going to say that if he was president, he wouldn't time for golfing.  

And now, during his presidency he has golfed more than Obama.

"More important is who presented it?"

>Well when Trump presented the chart, he made clear the chart was outdated and no longer valid. Allow me repeat myself yet again:

When President Trump was holding up the map with the black marking on it, he went on to say "you see, it was going to hit not only Florida but Georgia. It could have, was going toward the gulf. That was what we, what was originally projected. And it took a right turn and ultimately, hopefully we're gonna be lucky. It depends on what happens with South Carolina, North Carolina. But it's heading up the coast and Florida was grazed, mostly wind and we're gonna have a report on that."

(see 0:11 of video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QXCM5dF3Rg

"you see, it was going to hit not only Florida but Georgia. It could have, was going toward the gulf. That was what we, what was originally projected."

>What this tells me is when the hurricane was on a nearly-flat, slightly north trajectory heading west, they (Trump says "we", don't know who that is) predicted it would go on its suspected, predictable path meaning hitting Florida, Georgia, and potentially affecting Alabama as well. Trump then provides an update.

"And it took a right turn and ultimately, hopefully we're gonna be lucky. It depends on what happens with South Carolina, North Carolina. But it's heading up the coast and Florida was grazed, mostly wind and we're gonna have a report on that."

>Trump here acknowledges the new development that the hurricane was now heading north, not west as predicted earlier.

Trump did not use the map with the sharpie marking to tell anyone that it was still heading toward west and to Alabama. He was pointing out the prediction is outdated. He does it again at 6:10: "This is the original path that we thought. And everybody thought that this was about a 95% probability and it turned out to be not that bad. It turned out to be a path going up the coast."

"Both of these are so far from being relevant to the issue that it's laughable.  If you don't understand why it's a problem for these kinds of reports, that's fine.  But if that's the case, then you're not in a position to defend the actions that you're trying to defend.  

The problem has nothing to do with Trump "predicting" or even "presenting" false weather data.  

The problem is that these reports help with emergency procedures.  If you allow false reports, you get people who don't know if they should believe reports, you get people listening to false reports.  These kinds of mistakes can potentially cost lives."

>Well it's an excellent thing Trump corrected initial reports, see above, that it was heading west and about to hit Florida as initially predicted. It's perfectly reasonable to update predictions as information filters through.



Baalzamon said:
SpokenTruth said:

Do you have any idea how much people agree with you and wish he'd just shut it?

So he lied to us about not having time to golf? Sounds like a pretty damn normal political lie. Literally the majority of what I hear most politicians spout winds up being...a lie. Do I like that our politicians lie? Nope, annoying as hell. Annoying that Trump does it, annoying that everybody does it.

Regarding the shutting up...I know a lot of people agree. Probably the same amount of people that want the likes of Bernie Sanders and Occasio Cortez to also just shut their mouths. Really, it's the amount that just want politicians out of their lives altogether.

Because wake up, it is the incredibly annoying politicians that led to Trump being elected. People were beyond sick and tired of the same exact people over and over. It's the same reason I think he has a decent chance in the next election. Because the "Democrats" who have a voice are SO SO SO far left and annoy the living hell out of the right.

What a silly thing to say. Politicians being annoying is one thing but the main reason 45 got elected was because of corrupted politicians serving special interests instead of the people. The people grew tired of these politicians and wanted an outsider, not an establishment politician and proxy of special interests. They wanted this so much so they voted an incompetent, deeply prejudiced person into the oval office.

Funny thing is, is that it backfired on them. 45 for all intents and purposes is an establishment politician. He constantly enacts and espouses establishment policies that only benefits the top and big corporations while throwing everyone else under the bus. His recklessness and inability to understand simple economic concepts is getting us closer and closer to another recession, he isn't fit to be president and never was.



 

SpokenTruth said:
KLAMarine said:

The problem is that these reports help with emergency procedures.  If you allow false reports, you get people who don't know if they should believe reports, you get people listening to false reports.  These kinds of mistakes can potentially cost lives."

>Well it's an excellent thing Trump corrected initial reports, see above, that it was heading west and about to hit Florida as initially predicted. It's perfectly reasonable to update predictions as information filters through.

But he kept saying Alabama. Many times. In tweets, to the press, in the Oval Office.  Even after the frikkin NWS had to issue a correction because of the first time he still kept saying it.

When he said it the first time, ALL models, trajectories, etc...had been updates 2 days prior.  Those changes no longer showed Alabama receiving any impact from the storm.  But he used old data, was corrected by the NWS, and then kept saying it.  Doubling down on it.  And then triple down with the stupid sharpiegate.

Keep digging.

Provide for me a complete listing of all instances Trump mentions Alabama then. I'm going through his Twitter page right now and not finding much...



KLAMarine said:
SpokenTruth said:

So he's just an idiot then.  Got it.

No, I think he's sincerely trying to anticipate where a hurricane is going to go. Perfectly appropriate course of action.

No, he is just an idiot.  You continue to ignore the one big part of why we are here.  It's not that he made a mistake, it's the fact he continue to lie about the mistake.  He lies that the Weather authority stated the path was going to hit Alabama when they did not. When asked about it he double down that they made this statement.  When they corrected his mistake, he altered data to support his lie and continues to try to support a mistake by lying about it.  Its the dumbest, stupidest situation any person could do but here we are.

No one is judging Trump for making a mistake, people are judging him for lying about it, altering data to support that mistake.  The fact you are trying to defend that part tells more about you then Trump.  Stop enabling this BS and see it for what it is.  This would be unacceptable for anyone not just Trump and people that continue to accept someone doing crap like this make them look worse then the idiot trying to fool people into believing he cannot make a mistake.



It is pretty ironic. He is really no different than other politicians in regards to helping his friends, being corrupt etc.

But somehow people seem completely blind to it.



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