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EricHiggin said:
Jumpin said:

I heard Trump got cucked this weekend, but I didn't know the meaning was so literal.

Right in front of his face! :P

His (illegitimate, no doubt) daughter is next:

Proving Trump right one perfectly timed picture at a time?

Ah! I didn't know he had accused his wife and daughter with the Canadian Prime Minister... Posted on Twitter no doubt.

I guess Duck really has had its D replaced with a C in the White House these days.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

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CaptainExplosion said:

How can anyone defend the bastard now that he's deporting kids with cancer?

He truly has made America even worse, and he's getting off scot free. Thanks for nothing, Republicans.

What's Moscow Mitch going to do? He's just a turtle.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

CaptainExplosion said:
Jumpin said:

What's Moscow Mitch going to do? He's just a turtle.

Well he's done his very best at blockading attempts in congress to make things better in America, all while his fake-haired boss loosens regulations on one of the worst greenhouse gases known to man and deports kids with cancer.

He's not just committing crimes against humanity left and right, he's also gradually destroying the world.

Make America great again? America was never great to begin with. It was founded on slavery, white male privilege, beating your wife for speaking her mind, and this "president" has made the latter two normal in America.

Not to mention all the brown children he's locked in cages where they either starve to death, get violated, or both. I wouldn't put it past Trump to sell said children to North Korea as slave labor for his fat butt buddy Kim Jong Un either.

I'm sickened by the fact that I even live on the same planet as the land of the freeloaders and home of the spineless.

Once again, thanks for nothing, America.

And to think, we could have solved this problem if ONLY the US didn't kick this guy out of New York:



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

CaptainExplosion said:
Jumpin said:

And to think, we could have solved this problem if ONLY the US didn't kick this guy out of New York:

I'm talking about how America is going back to the dark ages while Trump is making everything worse, and you're not taking me seriously. -_-

I come from Germany, we elected Hitler. To be honest, Trump is the symptom, not the problem. The problem with the US isn't going away any time soon. EVERYTHING is politicized in that country.

I feel like if I went to the US and opened a door for a woman, that some right-wing guy would yell at me for bowing down to the matriarchy, while a second left-wing guy would yell at me because it's sexist to women to open doors for them... to the washroom.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

EricHiggin said:
sundin13 said:

I personally find your opinion to be ridiculous, but that is really all we have here. Your opinion is that you think we should put individual rights above the safety of our citizens. Sure, thousands of people get murdered every year, but that is a small price to pay. Typically when I have discussions with people who are anti-gun control, they aren't quite as honest about the fact that they value guns over lives.

That said, I think you have realize that this argument is inherently flawed, as it is not upheld as a standard in most areas. Some degree of restriction of individual rights is seen in virtually every aspect of life, including gun ownership. To apply this concept evenly, you would have to remove scores of laws which few people would oppose such as restricting firearm access to those with criminal convictions or mental illness, or even removing things like speed limits. Both of which are restrictions of individual freedoms which benefit the collective so I have to say that your final point is far too reductive to be of value.

Finally, I just want to say this. The most important, and most fundamental right is the right to life. I feel this is too often overlooked by anti-gun control advocates. This is considered an inalienable right in the Declaration of Independence and protecting that right is considered to be one of the core functions of government. As such, the government has a responsibility to act in order to protect its citizens. In discussions of gun control, both the Inalienable right to life and the Second Amendment must be considered in the discussion.

I never said the individual get's uncontrolled freedom, I just said the individual comes first. Kind of like how Trump never said the rest of the world can suffer needlessly, he just said America comes first. One way or another, no matter what stance you take, someone ends up better off than someone else period. There's no way around it, it just depends on who you decide get's the upper hand. When the upper hand goes to the individual, it tends to help the collective overall as well. Just look at how long the U.S. and it's documents have lasted and where America stands today as a whole.

So what you are saying is that the individual comes first....except when it doesn't. The problem I have with your argument is that it is entirely arbitrary and subjective. Like, you agree that individual freedom needs to be limited in some circumstances, but the only thing that makes those circumstances fundamentally different than the others is that you kinda feel like drawing a line there and not somewhere else. As soon as you insist that you are willing to throw out massive benefit in the face of a minor cost, you have invalidated all objectivity in your standards unless you advocate for uncontrolled freedom which you have made clear you don't wish to do.

This has ceased to be an argument. It is just you talking about how you feel...



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CaptainExplosion said:
Jumpin said:

I come from Germany, we elected Hitler. To be honest, Trump is the symptom, not the problem. The problem with the US isn't going away any time soon. EVERYTHING is politicized in that country.

I feel like if I went to the US and opened a door for a woman, that some right-wing guy would yell at me for bowing down to the matriarchy, while a second left-wing guy would yell at me because it's sexist to women to open doors for them... to the washroom.

Well then tell us what the fucking cure for Trump is if he's not the problem? All we've been able to do is stand by while he denies citizenship to military babies born overseas and locks Latino babies in cages guarded by pedophiles.

Rather than making a joke, I'll say these are the problems:

1. Political messiahs - they're cancer. It doesn't matter if they're left or right, all cancer is bad. People getting behind Bernie Sanders because of a few slogans and because "he's been doing this for like 100 years, he deserves it" is not really a good way to choose a head of state: no more than men receiving swords from strange women in a lake. That's when Democracy is broken, IMO, when people are voting for personalities rather than issues. People saying "Bernie is the only who can make positive change, everyone else is bought/corrupt" shows a tremendous amount of cult-of-personality. So even though I think Bernie is one of the top ones to vote for, some of his fans support him for completely the wrong reason; Tulsi Gabbar had some similar followers, I think those are the same people, they just switched cults - they must follow some weird news site or podcast. That has to stop.

2. Politicizing EVERYTHING has become a major issue that has caused governance to lose focus. It's become so pathetic that people are even politicizing commercial products? Remember all those losers who made "Gamergate" a scandal, where some chick broke up with her boyfriend and they accused her of sleeping with reviewers to get high review scores for her free indie game and made it into some giant movement, comparing the magnitude to watergate. That sort of shit needs to be shamed for how pathetic it is.

3. US government has too much power. Executive orders? Why are these allowed? Also, government-mandated global minimum wage makes no sense. Governments should ONLY be there to take part in the negotiations with Unions to establish financial compensation regulation.

4. Corporate ownership and money in politics is a major issue; it should be a finable offence for corporations to partake in political speech or to have any role in financing it; basically, it is a problem that people who decide to be mouthpieces for corporations have access to such large amounts of free money... SURE corporations will give money to progressive candidates, but for the most part, it is the other way around (and this is a separate issue from my disagreement with Warren and Sanders banning corporate money from their own campaigns. I understand the symbolic nature of it, but it's strategically retarded and counterproductive since money DOES influence elections, and progressives refusing money means a weaker voice). But that's just the first step, there's a lot further I would personally take it. Personally, I am anti-corporation in general. I'm a libertarian on the far left (albeit, one who thinks US people who identify as libertarians yet advocate for pro-corporate, laissez-faire and anti-environmental policy are counterproductive fools) I think corporations should be illegal since they're really a conspiracy against the people by the wealthy investors (Adam Smith pointed that out). Governments are meant to protect people against the upper class, not protect the upper class against the people. Corporations should be banned from political speech.

Anyway, I'm ranting. 

Last thing to fix the US political system: put in UBI and legalize cannabis. Don't VAT/GST tax it like Andrew Yang suggests, IMO that's a stupid taxation system that takes too much money away from the general consumer. Tax automation, but at the same time encourage its implementation. That will seriously mellow out the whole situation.



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Machiavellian said:
EricHiggin said:

So if guns were completely removed from society, everyone would feel completely safe knowing there are nations out there with guns and even nukes who look to do America harm? Some who could wipe out the entirety of America with just a portion of them? Sure they haven't been dropped in a long time, but when is the last time you were shot at? Yet you feel scared of being shot, and removing guns would somehow make you feel safe?

Why do nations like the U.S. and Russia have so many nukes? How many times have they used them against each other? Why? Maybe it has something to do with mutual destruction? So if everyone has a gun and knows how to use it, and you're face to face with someone with a gun, what's the point in using it if you're both likely to suffer from it? Aside from a lunatic with a gun who doesn't care about the consequences, but how is that any different than a lunatic who gains power to a country and it's weapons? Aren't Trump and Putin both a little off their rocker? Isn't Putin and Russia a powerful enemy of America? Removing guns in America will remove the fear of death altogether for Americans?

What if the media wasn't always pushing gun violence like it's just across the street coming for you anytime now, or how a simple tweet from the Prez has apparently pushed NK to the brink of nuclear war with America? Could everyone possibly live a little more fearless?

Maybe while 'fixing' the second amendment, they should also 'fix' the first amendment at the same time, killing two birds with one stone age weapon, because why not?

Lol, going self righteous on us are we.  To bad we have those pesky amendments in the constitution.  Anyway your whole play here doesn't hold water.  Even your Nuke analogy still leaves out how the US and other Nuke capable countries try to prevent others countries from developing their own Nukes.  If your logic was so sound then everyone should have nukes which in the bigger scheme sounds silly.

I guess you forgot all about those cowboys days which is pretty much where you want us to go back to.  Everyone with a gun would somehow stop all the killing and the murdering which is some very pie in the sky dream since history has already shone this isn't the case.  What would happen as it has happened in the past is that if everyone has a gun, then the gun will be the solution to all problems.  What you are advocating for is an America where you have to be armed.  Where you cannot go into your local store, church, school, concert you name it without carrying a gun.  Where you only feel safe if you are carrying a deadly weapon to kill your neighbor because you fear they are armed.  Yep sounds like a great way to live.

The U.S. and other strong nations try to keep any weapons that could be a significant threat out of the hands of enemies who may very well want to use them against her or her allies. These same countries however seem to think they themselves are so righteous, that they don't need to adhere to those same rules. Considering how they get away with it, since much of the world seems to agree because it allows themselves or the 'World Police' to keep them safe, it's hard to fault them for thinking that way. Along with how America has conducted herself with such power. If she wanted to, lady liberty could have remained in a constant state of civil war, or even put the British Empire to shame by now in terms of forcefully acquired landmass if she really wanted. That is not the case however.

Back then they didn't have things like welfare. Back then if you couldn't cut it for whatever reason, you were basically on your own, and it was actually tough to survive. So ya, a gun back then was necessary to take down who you had to, just to get by, if you couldn't by non aggressive means. Not to mention the scumbags who wouldn't bother being useful even if they could, because shooting first was much easier. The problem today is those weapons already exist and are everywhere, so getting a worthy amount back in a country like America is a waste of time without a proper safety plan to go along with it. As long as bad people can get a hold of guns and have an even easier time deciding to use them since they know no one else is armed, aside from the police, nobody is giving up their gun as a self defense device.

Well part of the argument was constantly feeling unsafe, so if everyone having a gun makes everyone feel safe as you suggest, problem solved right? Is there more to take into account? Not quite that simple?



Jumpin said:

Rather than making a joke, I'll say these are the problems:

1. Political messiahs - they're cancer. It doesn't matter if they're left or right, all cancer is bad. People getting behind Bernie Sanders because of a few slogans and because "he's been doing this for like 100 years, he deserves it" is not really a good way to choose a head of state: no more than men receiving swords from strange women in a lake. That's when Democracy is broken, IMO, when people are voting for personalities rather than issues. People saying "Bernie is the only who can make positive change, everyone else is bought/corrupt" shows a tremendous amount of cult-of-personality. So even though I think Bernie is one of the top ones to vote for, some of his fans support him for completely the wrong reason; Tulsi Gabbar had some similar followers, I think those are the same people, they just switched cults - they must follow some weird news site or podcast. That has to stop.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure most of those people did indeed go to Gabbard, which is why as much as I actually dislike her I favor her staying in the race. She keeps the crazies away from Bernie, so I'm not looking forward to her dropping out and her fans potentially coming back and undermining our cause with their fanatacism. Bernie's my first choice, but his record is only one reason for that. If I might defend him a bit, he, unlike most other "political messiahs" doesn't cultivate that cult of personality. In fact, he often diminishes his own importance, such as his slogan "Not Me, Us" which I appreciate because I think that is precisely why Obama didn't get as far as he wanted. I really do believe that Obama believed in hope and change, but ultimately failed to bring about that hope and change because he stopped being a community organizer and tried to bring the parties together by sheer force of will, which wasn't going to happen with McConnell at the helm. I think once he saw how that worked out, he became jaded and began to think that neoliberal technocracy was the only thing that moved the needle at all in politics, so he just stuck to that. Inevitably, in our representative democracy, the individual in the office is the one ultimately pulling the levers of power, but in order to wrest those levers from the opposition and actually pull them, it takes good political organizing. Obama had that skill and used it to get into office, but then stopped using that skill. So many politicians do this, but Bernie's strategy seems to depend on continuing to organize his political movement and keep people involved in the political process after he wins. It's that "Not Me, Us" attitude that makes me think he's not just another political messiah cancer. Honestly, the way so many people talked about Hillary, and now Biden, as the only ones that are "electable" and thus the only option actually seems like the more prominent example of political messiahs. Hence their slogans "I'm With Her" and "Ridin' With Biden" (though the latter is more his following than an official slogan).



EricHiggin said:

The U.S. and other strong nations try to keep any weapons that could be a significant threat out of the hands of enemies who may very well want to use them against her or her allies.

Non-proliferation isn't simply something that the US imposes on its enemies, it also attempts to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of its allies. The issue is that nukes are too dangerous even in the hands of our allies and there is too high of a probability of something going wrong either with an accident or with the escalation of conflicts.



CaptainExplosion said:
Jumpin said:

Ah! I didn't know he had accused his wife and daughter with the Canadian Prime Minister... Posted on Twitter no doubt.

I guess Duck really has had its D replaced with a C in the White House these days.

At least MY leader is trying to fix problems in Canada, rather than escalate them even further like that orange, draft dodging, Neo-Nazi child abductor.

So, apparently, as per CNN I could only guess... The Canadian PM is getting some action from Trumps wife and daughter, apparently, and this is a good thing, because Trump and his 'toxic masculinity' are so highly regarded and welcome by, everyone? Hmm...

Trudeau and his paying millions to terrorists who kill Americans and his 'legit' dealings with large corps like SNC Lavalin? Don't forget we Canadians are so great our budgets balance themselves and we actually speak with dignity for all peoplekind...