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EricHiggin said:

Prejudice - a preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.

Oh goody, you were able to google up the word prejudice.  Hey, I can do the same here is another definition see if you like this one better

Racial prejudice can be defined by either making an adverse judgement or opinion based on race or having an irrational hatred or suspicion based on racial or religious group's stereotypes. Racial prejudice in society has the potential to be a damaging factor in even the most normal settings.

Leave and do good things and then come back with something useful that will be helpful? That's what prejudice people say? On Earth?

LEAVE is the first and prominent word.  Meaning that they must first abandon their post and position which they earned.  So non prejudice people tell others to go somewhere else with their ideals and make it work instead of the place they were born and raise??  You tell me how that sounds because to me we still on point as being prejudice. 

Does Trump like Germany? Does he think Germany is a better country than America and that America should implement some of it's policies?

Who cares if Trump like Germany.  No one asked him to leave America and go back there so this is very pointless.

Why would telling an American to go back to their country be prejudice if you were using reason or experience in your remark? What about the black guy and his neighborhood? Why would you tell someone to go back home for no reason whatsoever? Maybe because you're a racist or nationalist possibly?

Hmmmm, did you not just answer this question.  Why would anyone ask an American to go back to their country when their country is America.  Maybe if the individual was thinking in a racial prejudicial manner the answer bubbles up to the surface.  Did you just agree with me here.  It sure seems like it.  Thanks.

I don't agree you can necessarily be both stupid and prejudice. If someone is too stupid to know the difference between something, how can you say they are prejudice and be mad at them for that?

What???  Because someone doesn't know they are prejudice then its ok.  I have no ideal where you are going with this line of thought.

Trump isn't basing what he said on reason or experience? Sure you're not talking about some of the things said to or about Trump?

You need to dig a little more into the term prejudice then just that small definition.

Of course he is. If someone had children, and those children were clearly well off overall, and all they did was complain about how their family sucked so much, are you telling me the parents should just put up with it and accept it? I don't know about you, but I'd teach those ungrateful kids a lesson. The sooner they learn, the less harsh you'd have to be. Some people never seem to learn though...

So you are comparing these 4 congresswomen as Trump children.  I believe this analogy totally misses the mark.

He told them to leave and come back, since they are so great they will easily make another country better off than America with their idea's and can rub it in Trumps face when they return. Problem is that would never happen even if they tried and everyone knows it.

So basically you agree that what he did was insult these women.  I guess you will not admit he used racial prejudicial tone to make his point but the end result is that's exactly what he did.

I should think long and hard about Trump not telling himself to leave the country? W.T..F...?

No, you should think long and hard about the context of Trump message and how its another way he divide this nation.  Either way, I am sure you will ignore it since you favor his brand of division.

How do you know this about Epstein? You mean like if you ask God for forgiveness, that the next time you sin you're done for good? Or do you continually get the chance to confess and be forgiven, only to sin again because you are a human that makes mistakes? Now you may sin more often and be a worse human because of that overall, but it doesn't negate any good you've done. It does make it much tougher to see the person in a positive light the more serious their sins though.

Do you believe you can come to GOD and say "Look GOD, I killed this person but I also Donated to Charity"  am I still a good person.  Does the worth of one action offset another.  You still continue to leave out motive and without that very key element it changes whether something someone does that happens to be good was done for good intentions.



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KLAMarine said:

"He is telling them they have no right to their opinions"

>Where?

Please dude.  If you want to act pendant that's fine but no one in this thread is that stupid.  You can willfully play the fool on that point but your argument is empty or non argument since you posted a question instead of a rebuttal.  I guess you have nothing which is obvious by this response.

"You have no clue what it feels like to have someone question your rights to live, have an opinion and a position in your country because you do not look like what they believe is the standard American citizen.  You have no idea how insulting it is for someone to even suggest you go back to where they believe you came from when you are a US citizen and a American."

>Oh, you know me? Please, tell me about me. I'd love to hear what you have to say.

lol, no I do not have to know you to tell this is not your experience in the US but educate me.  Are you an immigrant who has gone through the process of becoming a citizen of the US and had someone tell you to go back to your own country.  Why don't you enlighten me on your experience because I can definitely enlighten you on mine.  For every one example you give me, I will give you 2.  



Machiavellian said:
KLAMarine said:

"Trump is the president of the United States"

>And does that give him the power to remove someone from office or a citizen from the country?

"there are people who seriously want to revoke the citizenship of people like Ilhan Omar"

>I think you need to meet special criteria to achieve that, it doesn't just happen.

"there were times where certain groups(blacks and women) didn't have full citizen rights in the US"

>Well it's 2019. Let's talk 2019.

"Do you think it is ok to threaten political enemies in such a way?"

>No. What threat are you talking about?

"Would it be ok for you if what Trump said becomes reality?"

>That "progressive" congresswomen go to some country and help fix its problems? And then come back and "show how it's done"? That doesn't sound that bad. That actually sounds kinda cool.

I am sure you would believe it sounds cool for "progressive" to go to some other country and help fix their problems as long as they are not trying to fix the problems within their own country.  Hell, you should be Trump tweet writer the next time.

"I am sure you would believe it sounds cool for "progressive" to go to some other country and help fix their problems"

>Yeah, definitely sounds cool! How is problem-fixing not cool?

"as long as they are not trying to fix the problems within their own country."

>What? Where'd this come from? I'd eventually want those progressives back. I don't want skill or talent leaving the country permanently.



Insinuation: I don't like you, your heritage, your politics; you bruise my ego and I want you to leave the US and go to some other country. Just so long as you aren't here and opposing my will.

5th Avenue Crew: Trump just wants these lovely, talented people to help fix a country their families originated from and then come back and teach us how they helped their country. What a guy.



*5th Avenue Crew - A phrase I just conceived that represents the collective Trump supporters who fit the profile Trump himself once suggested - "I could stand In the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters."

Last edited by SpokenTruth - on 18 July 2019

Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

SpokenTruth said:

What a cringe thing to tweet.



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jason1637 said:
SpokenTruth said:

What a cringe thing to tweet.

I know.  The state of bigotry, racism and hatred in this country with the umbrella of indifference turning a blind eye to it is absolutely cringe worthy of the highest levels.

1/3rd - Don't like it, leave.
1/3rd - I just want to make a better life for me, my children and everyone else.
1/3rd - I don't care.  I got a tax break.

Last edited by SpokenTruth - on 18 July 2019

Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

SpokenTruth said:
jason1637 said:

What a cringe thing to tweet.

I know.  The state of bigotry, racism and hatred in this country with the umbrella of indifference turning a blind eye to it is absolutely cringe worthy of the highest levels.

1/3rd - Don't like it, leave.
1/3rd - I just to make a better life for me, my children and everyone else.
1/3rd - I don't care.  I got a tax break.

No it's cringe because those numbers are just wrong if you look at polling and just the way it's wording is cringy.



jason1637 said:
SpokenTruth said:

I know.  The state of bigotry, racism and hatred in this country with the umbrella of indifference turning a blind eye to it is absolutely cringe worthy of the highest levels.

1/3rd - Don't like it, leave.
1/3rd - I just to make a better life for me, my children and everyone else.
1/3rd - I don't care.  I got a tax break.

No it's cringe because those numbers are just wrong if you look at polling and just the way it's wording is cringy.

You recognize it's not meant to be proportionally accurate but rather a social commentary of the respective groups of hate, care and indifference, right?



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

SpokenTruth said:
jason1637 said:

No it's cringe because those numbers are just wrong if you look at polling and just the way it's wording is cringy.

You recognize it's not meant to be proportionally accurate but rather a social commentary of the respective groups of hate, care and indifference, right?

That's why its cringe. He's not accurately converying his point. It just comes off as an inaccurate hot take for twitter clout.



jason1637 said:
SpokenTruth said:

You recognize it's not meant to be proportionally accurate but rather a social commentary of the respective groups of hate, care and indifference, right?

That's why its cringe. He's not accurately converying his point. It just comes off as an inaccurate hot take for twitter clout.

Then you miss the forest by staring at a tree.

It's a statement showing that one person desires great harm upon another person while a 3rd ignores the whole thing.  It's an allegory of our social circumstances mirroring those of Germany ~80 years ago.

Are we not seeing this very thing being played out right here in this thread?  Trump (first 3rd) wants someone to leave (second 3rd) while some in this thread imitate the Three Apes* (the final 3rd) as they ignore or rationalize away the first 3rd.

* - See no evil, here no evil, speak no evil. The willful ignorance of the indifferent.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."