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KLAMarine said:
Biggerboat1 said:

Come on... Seriously...???

As if Trump gives two craps about other country's well-being. He barely gives a crap about his own. Everything he does is self-serving, including his populist tweets and policies.

Every time Trump comes out with some reactionary, ill-thought out garbage you can run your thought experiment of taking any sliver of ambiguity and finessing them into something respectable, but I'm pretty sure nobody is taking them seriously.

It's plain to everyone with a semblance of objectivity what Trump was saying in that tweet given the context, you can play your little games and get the hostile reactions that I'm guessing is your objective but I recommend spending your time in a more constructive way.

Trump donating his own presidential salary didn't seem self-serving at all...

Another of your staples - the lazy one-liner!

If you think Trump donating a completely insignificant amount of money (relative to his wealth), which he actually promised to do on his campaign trail (if he was doing it out of benevolence, why tell anyone?) isn't self-serving then I don't know what to tell you... 



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People are being intentionally obtuse when it comes to these Trump tweets. If it was an attack on progressivism why not Bernie or Warren, if it was an attack on democrats as a whole why not pelosi or Schumer? If the tweet wasn't meant to be at least vaguely racist or xenophobic then why would he use a traditionally xenophobic talking point when talking about 4 progressive women of colour? Out of all the potential targets and all of the ways he could have framed the argument why else would he go about it in this way



the-pi-guy said:
jason1637 said:

If they were mean to Trump then yeah.

No he wouldn't.  

People that are white, are treated as if they are more American than people who aren't.  People who are white aren't told to go back to their countries.

I am sure you genuinely think that "since race isn't mentioned" that it isn't racist, that there's enough ambiguity that you can honestly believe that.  

The problem is, that telling non-white people to go back to where they came from, is practically a cornerstone of racist thought.  

Even if by some miracle, Trump didn't intend for it to be racist.  He still would have stumbled onto what is easily one of the most horrific and insensitive things he's ever said about non-white people.  

White people are told to go back to their country. I've seen it happen a few times. But that isn't racist it's just mean.

You're just jumping to conclusions since the people were brown and black. The statement itself of telling someone to go back to their country to help fix it in general isn't racist. Now if someone said you're black or brown and don't belong here then go back to your country than that would be racist.

Why does their race matter? The comment is still pretty mean in general.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
KLAMarine said:

Trump donating his own presidential salary didn't seem self-serving at all...

He makes more money from his tax cut in one year than he could earn as president in 8 years. Seriously, the salary of the POTUS is just pocket change for someone like him.

And it is self-serving, as it gave him lots of good press, but doesn't make him any poorer.

The pocket change I give to homeless sometimes is a tiny amount compared to what I make but it might mean the world to them.

Biggerboat1 said:
KLAMarine said:

Trump donating his own presidential salary didn't seem self-serving at all...

Another of your staples - the lazy one-liner!

If you think Trump donating a completely insignificant amount of money (relative to his wealth), which he actually promised to do on his campaign trail (if he was doing it out of benevolence, why tell anyone?) isn't self-serving then I don't know what to tell you... 

The pocket change I give to homeless sometimes is a tiny amount compared to what I make but it might mean the world to them.



KLAMarine said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

He makes more money from his tax cut in one year than he could earn as president in 8 years. Seriously, the salary of the POTUS is just pocket change for someone like him.

And it is self-serving, as it gave him lots of good press, but doesn't make him any poorer.

The pocket change I give to homeless sometimes is a tiny amount compared to what I make but it might mean the world to them.

Biggerboat1 said:

Another of your staples - the lazy one-liner!

If you think Trump donating a completely insignificant amount of money (relative to his wealth), which he actually promised to do on his campaign trail (if he was doing it out of benevolence, why tell anyone?) isn't self-serving then I don't know what to tell you... 

The pocket change I give to homeless sometimes is a tiny amount compared to what I make but it might mean the world to them.

It probably doesn't but I am sure if you believe that, it means all the world to you more than them.  I am sure a person who doesn't actually put any time helping a homeless person get back on their feet probably would think that.



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collint0101 said:
People are being intentionally obtuse when it comes to these Trump tweets. If it was an attack on progressivism why not Bernie or Warren, if it was an attack on democrats as a whole why not pelosi or Schumer? If the tweet wasn't meant to be at least vaguely racist or xenophobic then why would he use a traditionally xenophobic talking point when talking about 4 progressive women of colour? Out of all the potential targets and all of the ways he could have framed the argument why else would he go about it in this way

But if you ignore all logic and reason you can kind of twist it into something not racist, and really that is all it takes for me these days.

/s

KLAMarine said:

The pocket change I give to homeless sometimes is a tiny amount compared to what I make but it might mean the world to them.

Charity can still be selfish even if it means helping someone else. Not everything is a zero sum game (despite Trump's apparent beliefs). If you are giving in order to benefit yourself (for example, from all of the people who rush to your aid and say "Yeah, but he donated to charity"), it can still be selfish.

As a bit of a side note, here is a bit from the bible:

41 Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. 42 But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.

43 Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44 They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”



jason1637 said:
the-pi-guy said:

No he wouldn't.  

People that are white, are treated as if they are more American than people who aren't.  People who are white aren't told to go back to their countries.

I am sure you genuinely think that "since race isn't mentioned" that it isn't racist, that there's enough ambiguity that you can honestly believe that.  

The problem is, that telling non-white people to go back to where they came from, is practically a cornerstone of racist thought.  

Even if by some miracle, Trump didn't intend for it to be racist.  He still would have stumbled onto what is easily one of the most horrific and insensitive things he's ever said about non-white people.  

White people are told to go back to their country. I've seen it happen a few times. But that isn't racist it's just mean.

You're just jumping to conclusions since the people were brown and black. The statement itself of telling someone to go back to their country to help fix it in general isn't racist. Now if someone said you're black or brown and don't belong here then go back to your country than that would be racist.

Why does their race matter? The comment is still pretty mean in general.

You are correct, its not racism, its prejudice and it's just as prevalent and destructive as racism.  No matter how much you sugar coat what Trump said, mean is the least of it.  What that statement shows is his true thought process and how he think about people of color.  It's a statement hate groups have used on countless times throughout the years and its something people of color are very familiar hearing from such people.  The fact that it slipped out of Trump tweeting fingers is just another insight into who he really is.

One good thing about Trump is when he make these foolish slip ups, he will never back down and double down on his statement.  I cannot wait to seem him continue to sink into another dumb tweet showing the world again how much of an idiot he can be.  I believe I will go and purchase some popcorn, this should be entertaining for at least a week.



KLAMarine said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

He makes more money from his tax cut in one year than he could earn as president in 8 years. Seriously, the salary of the POTUS is just pocket change for someone like him.

And it is self-serving, as it gave him lots of good press, but doesn't make him any poorer.

The pocket change I give to homeless sometimes is a tiny amount compared to what I make but it might mean the world to them.

Biggerboat1 said:

Another of your staples - the lazy one-liner!

If you think Trump donating a completely insignificant amount of money (relative to his wealth), which he actually promised to do on his campaign trail (if he was doing it out of benevolence, why tell anyone?) isn't self-serving then I don't know what to tell you... 

The pocket change I give to homeless sometimes is a tiny amount compared to what I make but it might mean the world to them.

How is that relevant in proving Trump isn't self-serving?



Machiavellian said:
jason1637 said:

White people are told to go back to their country. I've seen it happen a few times. But that isn't racist it's just mean.

You're just jumping to conclusions since the people were brown and black. The statement itself of telling someone to go back to their country to help fix it in general isn't racist. Now if someone said you're black or brown and don't belong here then go back to your country than that would be racist.

Why does their race matter? The comment is still pretty mean in general.

You are correct, its not racism, its prejudice and it's just as prevalent and destructive as racism.  No matter how much you sugar coat what Trump said, mean is the least of it.  What that statement shows is his true thought process and how he think about people of color.  It's a statement hate groups have used on countless times throughout the years and its something people of color are very familiar hearing from such people.  The fact that it slipped out of Trump tweeting fingers is just another insight into who he really is.

One good thing about Trump is when he make these foolish slip ups, he will never back down and double down on his statement.  I cannot wait to seem him continue to sink into another dumb tweet showing the world again how much of an idiot he can be.  I believe I will go and purchase some popcorn, this should be entertaining for at least a week.

Ya'll are the ones bringing up their race. Yeah the tweet is bad but Trump tweets bad things to people he does not like or people that come after him it's just how he operates. The progressives could have been white and he would have tweeted something nasty too.



KLAMarine said:
Biggerboat1 said:

Come on... Seriously...???

As if Trump gives two craps about other country's well-being. He barely gives a crap about his own. Everything he does is self-serving, including his populist tweets and policies.

Every time Trump comes out with some reactionary, ill-thought out garbage you can run your thought experiment of taking any sliver of ambiguity and finessing them into something respectable, but I'm pretty sure nobody is taking them seriously.

It's plain to everyone with a semblance of objectivity what Trump was saying in that tweet given the context, you can play your little games and get the hostile reactions that I'm guessing is your objective but I recommend spending your time in a more constructive way.

Trump donating his own presidential salary didn't seem self-serving at all...

Except it is still self-serving because he isn't donating to charities but back to the federal government itself (Department of Health and Human Services, Education, Transportation, Veteran Affairs, Homeland Security, National Park Service, SBA....).  But it makes him 'look good' because he's 'donating'.  Plus, he writes it all off on his taxes so he loses nothing.

Further, none of these agencies can actually accept the money because by law all funds are congressionally allocated.  So it all goes back to the US Treasury's general fund.  So it's all for show.

The real irony is that he has stated he wanted to cut the budgets for some of those agencies by billions and yet acts like his $78,333 (each donation after taxes) is supposed to mean something.



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