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Paperboy_J on 25 March 2019

Most people who have "controversial" or "unpopular" opinions are really just trolls who are trying to get a rise out of people. They don't really believe the crap they're spewing. They're trolls. Instigators. They just want to upset people. They want to be attacked.

Then when they get attacked they play the victim and cry about "free speech." It's all bologna. Kanye West is one of these trolls. Trump himself is one of these trolls which is why I'm not surprised he's doing this. The trolls are going to start coming out the woodwork now.

An unpopular opinion is unpopular for a reason.

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jason1637 on 25 March 2019
SuaveSocialist said:
jason1637 said:

This bill mostly affects private universities since free speech is already a thing in public onez.

Free speech is already a thing in private onez.

Some have policies that limit what you can say.



SuaveSocialist on 25 March 2019
jason1637 said:
SuaveSocialist said:

Free speech is already a thing in private onez.

Some have policies that limit what you can say.

Admittedly, they do have a strict intolerance towards plagiarism.



MrWayne on 25 March 2019
eva01beserk said:
MrWayne said:

Aren't university campuses already public spaces? Everyone can go there and talk to people, of course you can't organize an event there without the permission of the university.

Why not? If I dont require anything from the university why do I need to ask? 

Have you seen the change my mind segment from steven crowder? He brings his own desk and chairs and sits outside wanting to talk to who ever aprouches. How does he harm anyone in that maner. If you dont like the topic just walk away. 

It's all a matter of size isn't it? At a certain size of the event security becomes an issue, like Fire protection etc.. Your event could also hinder the normal operation of the university by blocking streets.

I know steven crowder, the size of his events is probably ok but then again, he can already do his events so why is this executive order needed?



jason1637 on 25 March 2019
SuaveSocialist said:
jason1637 said:

Some have policies that limit what you can say.

Admittedly, they do have a strict intolerance towards plagiarism.

Here is what I'm talking about.

https://www.thefire.org/10-worst-colleges-for-free-speech-2019/

Some schools om the list censor newspapers, ban debates on God, and have harassment on making comments on someone's  age, religion,  race, sexual orientation etc.



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Torillian on 25 March 2019
EricHiggin said:
Torillian said:

Who says they need to be invited? Didn't notice that in the executive order. 

I'm just interested in how this executive order which is obviously set up to help conservatives talk more at universities will be used by those whose views I agree with more to talk at religious universities. Good and evil doesn't come into it really. The satanists are pretty agreeable from my viewpoint. 

They don't have to be, but how many Satanists are going to waste their time pushing to speak at religious schools? If your looking to sell/promote electric cars, you don't set up a booth at Nascar events if your looking at making the most of your time.

It does come into it considering the overwhelming world view is that Satan is evil. You could say half of America thinks conservatism isn't as useful as liberalism, but it's a small fraction that actually thinks its evil. I'm not saying those people shouldn't have a say either, but they need to peacefully protest in that case, not forcefully protest or cause chaos by pulling fire alarms, etc. As far as I'm concerned, if Satanists want to speak on a religious campus, by all means, just don't expect God himself to turn a blind eye.

The same reason they put up satanist statues next to Christian ones on government property: to make sure the government is applying these regulations fairly. 

Well if you don't think God is real that's less of a concern. Here are their tenets if you're curious. I'm particularly a fan of no. 5

  1. One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason.
  2. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
  3. One's body is inviolable, subject to one's own will alone.
  4. The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own.
  5. Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs.
  6. People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused.
  7. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

So I'm always happy to see them put up a statue on government property next to one of the ten commandments. 



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Immersiveunreality on 25 March 2019
SuaveSocialist said:
As free speech already existed on college campuses, the Executive Order doesn't change anything.

Perhaps it's just to be used as an excuse for arbitrarily de-funding colleges. It wouldn't be the first time Beloved Leader's regime explored options to decrease college attendance. To Beloved Leader's collaborators, logic is an enemy and truth is a menace.

I feel like you should get "Beloved Leader" tatoed on your forehead with a heart next to it. :p

Who are the collaborators to you,his following in the white house or does it extent to everyone speaking semi positive about him and his voters?

Bolded: Surely there will already be a newsarticle in the making discussing that, fuel for the fire !



Kerotan on 25 March 2019
Torillian said:
Kerotan said:

I think it's less about solving and more about allowing a basic right. 

Is there a basic right to talk at universities that people are being denied I'm unaware of?

Is it not discrimination to deny one group the chance over another? 



Metroid33slayer on 25 March 2019

Good, no longer will those SJW NPC bullies be given the power to persecute anyone that holds a different view to their anti-conservative, anti-white, anti-male, anti-american, anti-capitalist bullshit narrative.



Torillian on 25 March 2019
Kerotan said:
Torillian said:

Is there a basic right to talk at universities that people are being denied I'm unaware of?

Is it not discrimination to deny one group the chance over another? 

If you disagree with an opinion I don't see it as bigotry to not want to platform that opinion. It's discrimination sure, but the same way that I'm going to discriminate between different choices for lunch today. I mean technically universities are discriminating when they choose to have a professor from Berkeley talk at their Chemistry Department rather than just some dude on the street.



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