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Forums - Politics Discussion - President Trump Signs Executive Order Protecting Free Speech On College Campuses | TIME

EricHiggin said:

For a school to say we only allow lefty speakers on campus, isn't much different than the transportation system saying we only allow whites to sit at the front of the bus. People of color were still allowed to ride, just at the back. So do you agree with that or should people be able to sit wherever they please as long as they aren't physically causing harm to you?

Bullshit.

Sorry, but that comparison is just awful. Of course people should be allowed to sit where they want on public transportation, but not just anyone gets to speak in front of an audience. If I went up to a University and told them that I would like to speak about whatever came to my mind for one hour in an official event in their Auditorium, they would tell me to fuck off, because there is no expectation of universal access there. No one should expect to be given a platform such as this just because they aren't hurting anyone. That isn't how any of this works and making that comparison is patently ridiculous.

The provision of a platform is expression in and of itself, and in order to maintain freedom of expression, we must allow Universities to make these decisions themselves. Mandating equality of expression is a violation of rights, not a protection of rights.



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As free speech already existed on college campuses, the Executive Order doesn't change anything.

Perhaps it's just to be used as an excuse for arbitrarily de-funding colleges. It wouldn't be the first time Beloved Leader's regime explored options to decrease college attendance. To Beloved Leader's collaborators, logic is an enemy and truth is a menace.



Jumpin said:
Hiro94 said:
As a junior at a University this is a huge relief. Leftist students run the show around here and they hate it now that they are getting push back. While I am already protected by the first amendment as a conservative independent student, This gives me extra padding to share my views without fear.

See, the right wing has snowflakes who need safe spaces too!

Why do you always attack people who don't hold the same views as you?



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SuaveSocialist said:
As free speech already existed on college campuses, the Executive Order doesn't change anything.

Perhaps it's just to be used as an excuse for arbitrarily de-funding colleges. It wouldn't be the first time Beloved Leader's regime explored options to decrease college attendance. To Beloved Leader's collaborators, logic is an enemy and truth is a menace.

Private universities that receive government money are able to set their own policy on what people are or are not allowed to say. This bill mostly affects private universities since free speech is already a thing in public onez.



jason1637 said:
SuaveSocialist said:
As free speech already existed on college campuses, the Executive Order doesn't change anything.

Perhaps it's just to be used as an excuse for arbitrarily de-funding colleges. It wouldn't be the first time Beloved Leader's regime explored options to decrease college attendance. To Beloved Leader's collaborators, logic is an enemy and truth is a menace.

This bill mostly affects private universities since free speech is already a thing in public onez.

Free speech is already a thing in private onez.



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eva01beserk said:
Thisguywhokills said:
Try to criticise Israel then or something TRUMP and it's people like , and you will be served a big "No Freedom of speech for you" BRO ;)

Is that right? As far as I know the 2 people in congres saying anti israel things are still in congres still saying anti israel things. Who was silenced? 

No one, just like all of the conservatives and anti PC crowd that constantly complain about being censored aren't actually being put in jail or silenced. People really need to learn that people not liking your opinion isn't the same as denying someone of their 1st anendmame rights. Even going as far to push for an organization or company to drop their support or deny a person access to their privately owned platform isn't a denial of 1st amendment rights. 



sundin13 said:
EricHiggin said:

For a school to say we only allow lefty speakers on campus, isn't much different than the transportation system saying we only allow whites to sit at the front of the bus. People of color were still allowed to ride, just at the back. So do you agree with that or should people be able to sit wherever they please as long as they aren't physically causing harm to you?

Bullshit.

Sorry, but that comparison is just awful. Of course people should be allowed to sit where they want on public transportation, but not just anyone gets to speak in front of an audience. If I went up to a University and told them that I would like to speak about whatever came to my mind for one hour in an official event in their Auditorium, they would tell me to fuck off, because there is no expectation of universal access there. No one should expect to be given a platform such as this just because they aren't hurting anyone. That isn't how any of this works and making that comparison is patently ridiculous.

The provision of a platform is expression in and of itself, and in order to maintain freedom of expression, we must allow Universities to make these decisions themselves. Mandating equality of expression is a violation of rights, not a protection of rights.

Your saying there was never a time where people of color were only aloud to sit at the back of the bus, yet were still aloud to ride the bus? The reason being at that point in time segregation was seen as normal. They had to fight for the right to sit where they wanted.

There is an overwhelming amount of schools that heavily favor lefty viewpoints and speakers, yet they allow centrists and conservatives to attend the school and it's events. The reason being that catering to the left and ignoring the center and right has become the norm. They have been fighting for their right to speak freely and have speakers who hold their same viewpoints.

I don't see how they aren't similar. Both are groups who are/were oppressed in an unreasonable manner and who fought for their right to be treated equally.



EricHiggin said:
sundin13 said:

Bullshit.

Sorry, but that comparison is just awful. Of course people should be allowed to sit where they want on public transportation, but not just anyone gets to speak in front of an audience. If I went up to a University and told them that I would like to speak about whatever came to my mind for one hour in an official event in their Auditorium, they would tell me to fuck off, because there is no expectation of universal access there. No one should expect to be given a platform such as this just because they aren't hurting anyone. That isn't how any of this works and making that comparison is patently ridiculous.

The provision of a platform is expression in and of itself, and in order to maintain freedom of expression, we must allow Universities to make these decisions themselves. Mandating equality of expression is a violation of rights, not a protection of rights.

Your saying there was never a time where people of color were only aloud to sit at the back of the bus, yet were still aloud to ride the bus? The reason being at that point in time segregation was seen as normal. They had to fight for the right to sit where they wanted.

There is an overwhelming amount of schools that heavily favor lefty viewpoints and speakers, yet they allow centrists and conservatives to attend the school and it's events. The reason being that catering to the left and ignoring the center and right has become the norm. They have been fighting for their right to speak freely and have speakers who hold their same viewpoints.

I don't see how they aren't similar. Both are groups who are/were oppressed in an unreasonable manner and who fought for their right to be treated equally.

Are you serious? Like do you actually believe that shit? Are you seriously trying to compare Jim crow segregation to not being given a platform at a college? You know what this is why no one wants you people to speak at their college because you say stupid shit like this. Being ignorant and backwards is a choice, being black isnt. 



No one on the left disagrees with free speech, it is one of our core principles. It always favours the progressive elements of society against the reactionary conservative elements.

I would have taken it a step further and mandated that ALL institutions, private and public, require freedom of speech in order to be accredited as an educational institution.



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collint0101 said:
EricHiggin said:

Your saying there was never a time where people of color were only aloud to sit at the back of the bus, yet were still aloud to ride the bus? The reason being at that point in time segregation was seen as normal. They had to fight for the right to sit where they wanted.

There is an overwhelming amount of schools that heavily favor lefty viewpoints and speakers, yet they allow centrists and conservatives to attend the school and it's events. The reason being that catering to the left and ignoring the center and right has become the norm. They have been fighting for their right to speak freely and have speakers who hold their same viewpoints.

I don't see how they aren't similar. Both are groups who are/were oppressed in an unreasonable manner and who fought for their right to be treated equally.

Are you serious? Like do you actually believe that shit? Are you seriously trying to compare Jim crow segregation to not being given a platform at a college? You know what this is why no one wants you people to speak at their college because you say stupid shit like this. Being ignorant and backwards is a choice, being black isnt. 

First off, I'm comparing the specific bus situation to the specific school free speech situation. If you want to try and compare every racial issue from that time to the specific free speech issue on campus right now, that wouldn't make any sense, because obviously the entirety of racial issue's back then was a much bigger problem.

Secondly, your point about being black. Are you seriously suggesting that every single centrist and conservative student fighting for free speech is white?