Quantcast
President Trump Signs Executive Order Protecting Free Speech On College Campuses | TIME

Forums - Politics Discussion - President Trump Signs Executive Order Protecting Free Speech On College Campuses | TIME

OlfinBedwere said:

So, I take it colleges will also be punished for denying people the opportunity to speak out about how the Earth is flat, or the superiority of the Aryan race?

Depends where the border going in the territory of hate speech is crossed?

People talking about flat earth should be no problem.



Around the Network
Ljink96 said:
Eh, just let people be who they are I guess. Hateful or not. But if there's an increase of violence on campuses we'll know why.

Yes we do, cuz liberals cant handle a difference of opinion. 



It takes genuine talent to see greatness in yourself despite your absence of genuine talent.

eva01beserk said:
Hiku said:

Government punishing schools based on their speech environment sounds like it may clash with the idea of the first amendment, which is supposed to protect speech from retaliation from the government.

Can you share some examples of things you want to say, but felt you couldn't before?

Every time I see this come up, it always seems to be about people wanting to say things that are hurtful to fringe groups, but maybe there's something else that I'm missing?

How about when ben shapiro went to give a speech at Berkeley and there where riots and he got shut down. Riots by the liberals, the suposed "anti nazi anti hate group progressives".  

University said no at first cuz of the danger and their security could not handle it. He then had to pay for separate security then the university made some other excuse and still got denied.

What this executive order is aiming for is for people like ben shapiro to speak freely and if people plan on rioting or anything of the sort, the university must put its effort in diffusing the violence and preventing it from happening, not preventing the speaker from coming. 

I confused because am pretty sure Ben Shapiro did make a speech at university of Berkeley.  The reports I read is that University of Berkeley spent about 4 million in security for 3 conservative events that was held on campus in 2017 one of them was a speech by Ben shapiro.  That sound like they was making a effort to me.



mmersiveunreality said:
OlfinBedwere said:

So, I take it colleges will also be punished for denying people the opportunity to speak out about how the Earth is flat, or the superiority of the Aryan race?

Depends where the border going in the territory of hate speech is crossed?

People talking about flat earth should be no problem.

My point is more that even though this order is clearly designed to protect conservatives, it's also going to allow any crackpot group to demand to be able to speak on campuses, and claim that their rights have been violated when the college refuses to let them speak about their theory that the world will be eaten by a giant mutant star goat in the year 2025. In which case, colleges will resort to other excuses - the speech the group wants to make isn't relevant to any course they teach, that their schedule is full, that they don't think there'd be enough students interested - to shut out said fringe groups. And any other group that might not want speaking on campus for whatever reason.

In other words, this order ain't gonna achieve a whole lot.



eva01beserk said:
Ljink96 said:
Eh, just let people be who they are I guess. Hateful or not. But if there's an increase of violence on campuses we'll know why.

Yes we do, cuz liberals cant handle a difference of opinion. 

I don't know if you're referring to me as a liberal but I'm not. I'm more of a centrist than anything. I'm just saying actions have reactions, and if we do experience radical reactions we'll know why is all. 

On a separate note...I remember when Trump criticized Obama for using executive orders...but now he's using them all the time. I kind of don't trust actions of hypocrites. 



Around the Network
OlfinBedwere said:
mmersiveunreality said:

Depends where the border going in the territory of hate speech is crossed?

People talking about flat earth should be no problem.

My point is more that even though this order is clearly designed to protect conservatives, it's also going to allow any crackpot group to demand to be able to speak on campuses, and claim that their rights have been violated when the college refuses to let them speak about their theory that the world will be eaten by a giant mutant star goat in the year 2025. In which case, colleges will resort to other excuses - the speech the group wants to make isn't relevant to any course they teach, that their schedule is full, that they don't think there'd be enough students interested - to shut out said fringe groups. And any other group that might not want speaking on campus for whatever reason.

In other words, this order ain't gonna achieve a whole lot.

Yes they have the same right to speak about that like any other religion/belief can be spoken about and how to measure which religion/belief is acceptable and which not?

As long as it is not inciting violence i see no problem with it.



Cyran said:
eva01beserk said:

How about when ben shapiro went to give a speech at Berkeley and there where riots and he got shut down. Riots by the liberals, the suposed "anti nazi anti hate group progressives".  

University said no at first cuz of the danger and their security could not handle it. He then had to pay for separate security then the university made some other excuse and still got denied.

What this executive order is aiming for is for people like ben shapiro to speak freely and if people plan on rioting or anything of the sort, the university must put its effort in diffusing the violence and preventing it from happening, not preventing the speaker from coming. 

I confused because am pretty sure Ben Shapiro did make a speech at university of Berkeley.  The reports I read is that University of Berkeley spent about 4 million in security for 3 conservative events that was held on campus in 2017 one of them was a speech by Ben shapiro.  That sound like they was making a effort to me.

you are right. I got confused. Seems it was milo yianoopoulis that got shut down twice in 2017. Seems like he snuk in anyways and started signing autographs untill security escorted him out. 



It takes genuine talent to see greatness in yourself despite your absence of genuine talent.

Now that I've thought about it a bit, I think the most interesting result of this will be how the Satanists use this. I'm sure they're ready to send speaking requests to every religious institute that gets federal grant money. I'd be surprised if any major university was completely devoid of federal grant funding. Even the crazy places like Liberty University.



...

Ljink96 said:
eva01beserk said:

Yes we do, cuz liberals cant handle a difference of opinion. 

I don't know if you're referring to me as a liberal but I'm not. I'm more of a centrist than anything. I'm just saying actions have reactions, and if we do experience radical reactions we'll know why is all. 

On a separate note...I remember when Trump criticized Obama for using executive orders...but now he's using them all the time. I kind of don't trust actions of hypocrites. 

Oh that ship has sailed for quite a long time. He also gave Obama shit for not releasing his grades, and then threatened his schools with litigation if they released his. 



...

eva01beserk said:
Hiku said:

Government punishing schools based on their speech environment sounds like it may clash with the idea of the first amendment, which is supposed to protect speech from retaliation from the government.

Can you share some examples of things you want to say, but felt you couldn't before?

Every time I see this come up, it always seems to be about people wanting to say things that are hurtful to fringe groups, but maybe there's something else that I'm missing?

How about when ben shapiro went to give a speech at Berkeley and there where riots and he got shut down. Riots by the liberals, the suposed "anti nazi anti hate group progressives".  

University said no at first cuz of the danger and their security could not handle it. He then had to pay for separate security then the university made some other excuse and still got denied.

What this executive order is aiming for is for people like ben shapiro to speak freely and if people plan on rioting or anything of the sort, the university must put its effort in diffusing the violence and preventing it from happening, not preventing the speaker from coming. 

Well, I was asking the person in question because I'm curious about how university attendants feel this impacts them personally.

As for your example, I don't know enough about the situation to assess whether Berkeley should have him speak or not.
But a quick google search shows me he did speak at Berkeley in Sep 2017.

But regardless, a university, like any other similar institution, should be able to decide whether or not it is in their best interest to have any particular person speak at their grounds. That can include things like cost, and whether or not most of their audience would be interested in it in the first place.
Threats of violence should never be tolerated though, and I doubt they ever were. But if there is a perceived risk that required multi million dollar investments, then it would not be out of the ordinary for someone to pass on that for something closer to their intended budget.

As for 'anti hate groups', I believe you're referring anti hate in regards to discrimination, bigotry, etc.
They in turn may very well hate people who hate someone because of the color of their skin. But the difference is, they have a good reason.

Last edited by Hiku - on 24 March 2019