this distinction here is that people who are invited because they have a particular argument to make that is perceived as beneficial for people to have discussion over, obviously no one is saying that the end times preacher standing on the street corner deserves a 2 hour speaking engagement and i'm sure you understand that

Again, if "free speech" only applies in circumstances where you are providing equal voice to a counter group, you aren't talking about free speech.

How about when ben shapiro went to give a speech at Berkeley and there where riots and he got shut down. Riots by the liberals, the suposed "anti nazi anti hate group progressives".  

University said no at first cuz of the danger and their security could not handle it. He then had to pay for separate security then the university made some other excuse and still got denied.

What this executive order is aiming for is for people like ben shapiro to speak freely and if people plan on rioting or anything of the sort, the university must put its effort in diffusing the violence and preventing it from happening, not preventing the speaker from coming. 

Yes we do, cuz liberals cant handle a difference of opinion. 

We haven't really heard the devil's side of the story. Maybe he was the good guy all along?
The idea of hell never made sense in the first place. If the devil really is bad, why would he punish you if you do bad things on earth?

Is that right? As far as I know the 2 people in congres saying anti israel things are still in congres still saying anti israel things. Who was silenced? 

The problem is just that though. An equal voice is either not being allowed or it's being silenced by using loopholes. The fact it got bad enough that it required an order to try and fix the problem is pretty sad. I guess it could have been presented as equality as well, but they probably didn't want to go that far, considering what some have already brought up in this topic.

The problem is just that though. An equal voice is either not being allowed or it's being silenced by using loopholes. The fact it got bad enough that it required an order to try and fix the problem is pretty sad. I guess it could have been presented as equality as well, but they probably didn't want to go that far, considering what some have already brought up in this topic.

"Oh, we handle them just fine. "

etc etc etc

If you want to argue that colleges aren't providing equal time, go for it, however that isn't a discussion about free speech and as such, it is not addressed by this order.

The allowing of equal time is happening in some circumstances, yet the speech is still being silenced. Much of the time it's being masked as 'peaceful protest', that's actually a group of students who's getting as close to the speaker as possible, and using their voices or noise making devices to make sure the opposing speakers voice isn't heard. Some groups have gone a step further, and are coming to the indoor events, and strategically standing up in pairs and yelling and shouting in protest, just long enough before the school security removes them. Then after a couple of minutes, the next pair stands up and does the same thing, over and over, pair after pair, until the event either get's shut down or the speaker gives up because they can't get a message across because they only get a minute or so before the next group interrupts.

When you see these kinds of things happen constantly, it's not hard to see why some schools aren't allowing equal speaking opportunities. Instead of making the 'protesting' students mind and making them protest peacefully and respectfully, they allow them to act like angry children and ruin the event for everyone else. Part of the reason equal opportunity isn't being given, is due to the way free speech is being allowed to be silenced elsewhere. Free speech is at least indirectly connected to the problem and solution.

So you went from saying "We need more free speech" to "We need to silence this other speech".

Neat.

The allowing of equal time is happening in some circumstances, yet the speech is still being silenced. Much of the time it's being masked as 'peaceful protest', that's actually a group of students who's getting as close to the speaker as possible, and using their voices or noise making devices to make sure the opposing speakers voice isn't heard. Some groups have gone a step further, and are coming to the indoor events, and strategically standing up in pairs and yelling and shouting in protest, just long enough before the school security removes them. Then after a couple of minutes, the next pair stands up and does the same thing, over and over, pair after pair, until the event either get's shut down or the speaker gives up because they can't get a message across because they only get a minute or so before the next group interrupts.

When you see these kinds of things happen constantly, it's not hard to see why some schools aren't allowing equal speaking opportunities. Instead of making the 'protesting' students mind and making them protest peacefully and respectfully, they allow them to act like angry children and ruin the event for everyone else. Part of the reason equal opportunity isn't being given, is due to the way free speech is being allowed to be silenced elsewhere. Free speech is at least indirectly connected to the problem and solution.