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HoloDust said:
dharh said:
I'll wait for direct brain input/output before I muck around with VR.

If you happen to have some VR Arcade near you, try it out - that's possibly easiest way to see what's all the fuss about.

I've done VR before.  I'm not saying its not immersive, but frankly it's like an uncanny valley type thing.  Like being immersed in motion without feeling the motion.  One of the things I hate about motion controls.  Lifting a rock or hitting a ball or swinging a sword.  The weight is not there and thus it completely throws me off balance.



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Chazore said: But you buy so much stuff and literally don't care when and where it comes from?.

 

Why does $400 suddenly become the no-go, your price listing and general spending habits show that nothing seems to matter, as long as you like it. 

Let's try not to judge people's buying habits .

dharh said:
I'll wait for direct brain input/output before I muck around with VR.

Going to be waiting a while.

Biggerboat1 said:
Peh said:
Going for LCD this time is a huge disappointment. Also 80Hz...I don't know how different the cost would be if they went for OLED with 90Hz.

I believe they're aiming to have the pc spec requirements match up with the previous version  so the moderate decrease in Hz is there to offset the moderate increase in resolution. 

I recall this being mentioned, might be mistaken .

BasilZero said:
Chazore said:

Not snarky, just going based on what you've been listing over the years and what you've been willing to buy at what price.

I work for my money as well and what I did to buy the things I've wanted over the years, but that has nothing to do with rights or denial of purchase in this topic of a VR headset.

 

Going on what you've purchased over the years, I'd say you do show some non caring, especially given the EGS and not caring about consumer policies, consumer deals. Yes free games on there for sure, but Humble bundle does, as do other places as well, so it's not something that's really having EGS's very few free games tiding over everything else. I don't think you've done proper research into what's been going on with EG, but if so, it could be summed up to not caring about whatever happens down the road from that company.

The device isn't completely obsolete though, even before it's come out. What superficial needs do you require, that require a cheaper and somehow "superior" headset? (I want to get into VR sometime, but it's nowhere near my level of expectations, so yours have to be smaller than mine if you've even considered a headset at all at this point). 

Basil, over the past few years, you've been posting massive, nay, insane lists of what games and hw for them that you've been buying. Anything outside of gaming is completely unimportant to the discussion. if you've gone to these lengths, to post such huge lists, and claim it's only a small fraction, then why waste that time at all?. It's either a fraction of the total games bought/hw, or you're including non gaming products, which don't or shouldn't even factor in to the "you don't know my spending habits". 

I suggest laying off the same aid my dude. 

Look, you don’t pay me to buy what I want to buy

I will buy what I want , when I want and how I want.

 

If something does not provide me a reason to buy it, I simply won’t buy it - I don’t mind shelling out hundreds of dollars to something as long as it provides me a reason to do so, VR has yet shown me a reason to shell out such cash.

I mean I am not gonna shell cash out to play some 2-3 hour Batman demo.

If there is a dedicated VR game that is worth buying , I will pursue it - as of now there’s no point.

 

Its like you are upset that I am not buying a tablet pc like the surface pro when I have a hybrid laptop that has the specs of an actual laptop.

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i mean why bring this up all of a sudden? Does it bother you that I can buy stuff? I mean surely you have the will power and hopefully the knowledge and equivalent amount of skill, same as I and most normal people do to say to be able to decide and buy.

Do my lists of game purchases annoy you that much ;p?

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And so what if another store exists and doing scummy stuff, this world isn’t perfect - you gotta play the system to get what you want. I don’t believe in boycotts of products or services especially if they are of value that can be used for one reason or another.

And you are right, I don’t care because it’s not my job to care or fix other people’s issues.

I am a consumer, not some industry analyst, developer, stock holder  or accountant. I am not obligated to be loyal to one thing or another.

 

And I only drink water , none of that sugary garbage 

Astrobot on PSVR was hands down one of the best games last year.  

dharh said:
HoloDust said:

If you happen to have some VR Arcade near you, try it out - that's possibly easiest way to see what's all the fuss about.

I've done VR before.  I'm not saying its not immersive, but frankly it's like an uncanny valley type thing.  Like being immersed in motion without feeling the motion.  One of the things I hate about motion controls.  Lifting a rock or hitting a ball or swinging a sword.  The weight is not there and thus it completely throws me off balance.

I think we will see haptic suits that fixes that before we see brain interfacing



BasilZero said:

Look, you don’t pay me to buy what I want to buy

I will buy what I want , when I want and how I want.

 

If something does not provide me a reason to buy it, I simply won’t buy it - I don’t mind shelling out hundreds of dollars to something as long as it provides me a reason to do so, VR has yet shown me a reason to shell out such cash.

I mean I am not gonna shell cash out to play some 2-3 hour Batman demo.

If there is a dedicated VR game that is worth buying , I will pursue it - as of now there’s no point.

 

Its like you are upset that I am not buying a tablet pc like the surface pro when I have a hybrid laptop that has the specs of an actual laptop.

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i mean why bring this up all of a sudden? Does it bother you that I can buy stuff? I mean surely you have the will power and hopefully the knowledge and equivalent amount of skill, same as I and most normal people do to say to be able to decide and buy.

Do my lists of game purchases annoy you that much ;p?

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And so what if another store exists and doing scummy stuff, this world isn’t perfect - you gotta play the system to get what you want. I don’t believe in boycotts of products or services especially if they are of value that can be used for one reason or another.

And you are right, I don’t care because it’s not my job to care or fix other people’s issues.

I am a consumer, not some industry analyst, developer, stock holder  or accountant. I am not obligated to be loyal to one thing or another.

That's not even a part of the topic. I don't pay you anything, which is besides the point.

Anyone buys what they want, when they want.

 

Then you're selling yourself short if you're willing to pay more for less.

I'm not even remotely upset that you're not buying the headset. It's the fact that you've spent a lot more money combined in a year, each year at that, more so than the headset itself, yet an instant $400 price tag scares you off, that's the only part that actually perplexes me. Nothing to be upset over, just perplexed. 

 

No, it doesn't bother me that you buy an insane amount of stuff (You do tell us this a lot of the time, discord or on here via lists, and have done for years now, not even taking issue with that).

Your lists don't, but I have seen them irk others recently and in the past (I mean, if I annoy some users on here, surely you can't see yourself doing the same with the listing)

 

The world was never perfect to begin with, we can never hope to even reach what we think is perfection, but that doesn't excuse scummy shit from being scummy and wanting it to be done away with. Supporting it just adds to the problem and ignoring/being non-caring, while feeding directly into it does make one a part of that problem, whether they like it or not. You don't believe in them, but ever so many do, and they do actually produce results and show the wrong doings as a result of pointing out wrong that has been done. Voting with your wallet doesn't do jack unless you're a part of the bigger crowd, that I believe is entirely flawed and pointless, but boycotting, actually trying to form a group to stand against an opposing company?, I don't see that as pointless, because it caries direct action and a clear message. Just not buying something doesn't.

No one hired you to be PR or become the guy that "fixes" someone's issues, no one's hired anyone to do that specific sort of thing, but taking actual action as a group can lead to sorting out issues.

I am a consumer just like you, only I believe in action and standing up against scummy practices. I do not want my consumer rights taken away, step by step, and I'm not going to be a non-caring guy, who will eventually bitch when he loses so much in the long-run. I'd rather do something about it now, rather than later. 

 

Also, no, you do not need "loyalty" in order to seek change. That's not how that works. 



                                       

Chazore said:

That's not even a part of the topic. I don't pay you anything, which is besides the point.

Anyone buys what they want, when they want.

 

 

Then stop complaining about what I buy, go do what you usually do like complaining about devs/publishers not releasing games on Steam or something you always do on Discord.

 

Chazore said:

 

Then you're selling yourself short if you're willing to pay more for less.



I'm not paying anything to EGS since that is what you are referring to.

 

In fact, lets get some facts in order, this is what I purchased/received so far when it comes to gaming in 2019. (Compare this list to what the average user who pays full price or close to full price pays which I'm guessing such as yourself does)

Bottom line is...

I dont pay more for less.

I pay less for more.


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3DS
-Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia - $25

3DS Total: $25

PS4
-Humble Indie Playstation Bundle (Grim Fandango   Remastered, InnerSpace, The Bard's Tale: Remastered and Resnarkled) - $1
-Final Fantasy XV Season Pass - $7.50
-Grand Theft Auto V - $15
-Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm Trilogy - $10
-Tales of Berseria - $15
-World of Final Fantasy Maxima - $20

PS4 Total: $68.50

Epic
-Axiom Verge - $0
-Jackbox Party Pack - $0
-Slime Rancher - $0
-Thimbleweed Park - $0
-What Remains of Edith Finch - $0

Epic Total: $0

Uplay
-Assassin's Creed Chronicles: China - $0

Uplay Total: $0

GOG
-DISTRAINT: Deluxe Edition - $0

GOG Total: $0

Steam
-Fanatical Cryptic Anthology Bundle (Dreamscapes: The Sandman - Premium Edition, Dreamscapes: Nightmare's Heir - Premium Edition, Sea Legends: Phantasmal Light Collector's Edition, Witch's Pranks: Frog's Fortune Collector's Edition, Kingdom of Aurelia: Mystery of the Poisoned Dagger, Taken Souls: Blood Ritual Collector's Edition, Silver Tale, A Plot Story, Hexus, Jane Angel: Templar Mystery) - $1.50
-Fanatical Raining Bullets Bundle (SHOCK TROOPERS, Maidens of a Hollow Dream, Tenta Shooter, Sora) - $2.50
-Fanatical Stronghold Bundle (Stronghold 2, Stronghold Crusader Extreme HD, Stronghold Crusader HD, Stronghold Legends) - $5
-Fanatical F.E.A.R. Bundle (F.E.A.R. 2 Reborn DLC) - $5
-Fanatical Elven Legacy Complete Bundle (Elven Legacy, Elven Legacy: Magic, Elven Legacy: Ranger, Elven Legacy: Siege) - $1
-Humble Great GameMaker Bundle (Cook, Serve, Delicious!, Kingsway, Solstice, Cook, Serve, Delicious! 2!!, kuso, Alone With You, Rivals of Aether, Crashlands, Soft Body, 12 is Better Than 6, Don't Sink, Way of the Passive Fist) - $12
-Indie Gala Hump Day #68 Bundle (Rot Gut, Spooky Cats, Shadwen, Wings of Vi, Burnin' Rubber 5 HD, Deep Sixed, Crisis in the Kremlin) - $4
-Indie Gala Action-Fu Bundle (Treasure Hunter Man 2, Super Destronaut, Shadow Bug, After Hours, Corrupted, Q-YO Blaster, Shaq Fu: A Legend Reborn) - $4
-Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 - $9
-Disney's Epic Mickey 2 - $6
-Escape from Monkey Island - $3
-Evoland Legendary Edition - $0
-God Eater 2 Rage Burst - $11.45
-Kholat - $0
-LEGO Indiana Jones 2 The Adventure Continues - $5.49
-Mary Skelter Nightmares - $15
-Mega Man Legacy Collection 2 - $9
-Monkey Island 2 Special Edition Lechuck's Revenge - $2
-Okami HD - $8.27
-Rayman Legends - $6.18
-Rayman Raving Rabbids - $2.80
-Record of Agarest War Mariage - $10.50
-The Curse of Monkey Island - $3
-The Secret of Monkey Island Special Edition - $2
-World of Final Fantasy Complete - $20
-X-Com Complete Pack (X-Com: Enforcer, X-Com: Interceptor, X-Com Apocalypse, X-Com Terror from the Deep) - $4



Steam Total: $152.69


GRAND TOTAL: $236.19


Chazore said:

I'm not even remotely upset that you're not buying the headset. It's the fact that you've spent a lot more money combined in a year, each year at that, more so than the headset itself, yet an instant $400 price tag scares you off, that's the only part that actually perplexes me. Nothing to be upset over, just perplexed. 

 


So you are upset that I'm a smart consumer? lol


If you cant understand why I bought so many games over a piece of hardware that plays likely less than the number of games I played, then I'm not surprised why you would be perplexed over something so simple.

I already provided my example in my last post, ironically you didnt understand it, so I can only assume, you are horrible at managing money. So I'll leave it at that.

I guess Willpower isnt something you can teach someone, its something you are born with and only a few people in the world even have that capability.

 

Chazore said:

 

No, it doesn't bother me that you buy an insane amount of stuff (You do tell us this a lot of the time, discord or on here via lists, and have done for years now, not even taking issue with that).

Your lists don't, but I have seen them irk others recently and in the past (I mean, if I annoy some users on here, surely you can't see yourself doing the same with the listing)

 


Certainly it bothers you considering you like to bring it up in a topic that has no relation to it, technically you derailed the topic with what I can only imagine as envy.


Its human nature to be envious, to hate those who are successful, and to loathe those that have more than others.



I mean keep on hating on me, I love it when people hate me or look down on me, it gives me motivation to better myself, to achieve success and live my life the best way that I can live it - and its all so satisfying when I shove it to their face, its almost like ecstasy (if I did take drugs that is, thankfully i'm not mentally weak to consume illegal/dangerous drugs/substances).

 

Chazore said:

 

 

The world was never perfect to begin with, we can never hope to even reach what we think is perfection, but that doesn't excuse scummy shit from being scummy and wanting it to be done away with.


Its reality though, you can only do so much.

As a consumer, your only capability is to vote with your wallet.

Screaming about it on discord, on VGC or anywhere on the internet wont do shit.


Only other way you can improve the industry, is if you work directly with the industry (i.e. as a developer, publisher, etc) and I dont think you do any of that stuff. I sure dont and have no desire to do so.

 

 

Chazore said:

 

Supporting it just adds to the problem and ignoring/being non-caring, while feeding directly into it does make one a part of that problem, whether they like it or not. You don't believe in them, but ever so many do, and they do actually produce results and show the wrong doings as a result of pointing out wrong that has been done.


Your definition of "Support" is different from mine.

 

What corporations do is not my concern - life's too short to worry about stuff like that. Leave that to Analysts and other people who actually work in the industry.

 

You dont get paid for being a advocate mouthpiece for a faceless corporation on a Internet forum like some people like to think on this specific forum especially.

 

Chazore said:

Voting with your wallet doesn't do jack unless you're a part of the bigger crowd, that I believe is entirely flawed and pointless, but boycotting, actually trying to form a group to stand against an opposing company? I don't see that as pointless, because it caries direct action and a clear message. Just not buying something doesn't.


I dont think you understand the meaning of "Voting with your wallet" especially considering you think boycotting (not buying a game) is different from voting with your wallet lol.


"Trying to form a group to stand against an opposing company"


Good luck with that, tell me how that goes for you in the end l0l

 

Chazore said:

 

No one hired you to be PR or become the guy that "fixes" someone's issues, no one's hired anyone to do that specific sort of thing, but taking actual action as a group can lead to sorting out issues.


Technically I fix Windows issues, Network issues, computers, tablets, phones, etc.

 I get paid for that.

I'll stick with that , you go on and enjoy with your "group" to sort out a issue that you are way over your heads with to begin with lol

 

Chazore said:

I am a consumer just like you, only I believe in action and standing up against scummy practices. I do not want my consumer rights taken away, step by step, and I'm not going to be a non-caring guy, who will eventually bitch when he loses so much in the long-run. I'd rather do something about it now, rather than later. 

 


Ironic, considering that is what you actually do every day on discord or even on here whenever a press release occurs about PC gaming l0l

 

Go on and try to fix something that is way over your head.

 

Chazore said:

 

 

Also, no, you do not need "loyalty" in order to seek change. That's not how that works. 


You dont seek change, you are too attached to Valve and Steam to even seek change to begin with.


Stick with complaining about a game not coming to Steam instead of bitching about what I buy

 

Thanks for wasting my life and dont bother bringing up about how I spend things again.



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I dont get why they made this.They have just release(or going to, cant quite remember) the Oculus Quest, and this seems to be an (mostly) inferior product.

Why not focus on games and give some years for the tech to evolve, so that you can launch a new gen with actual improvements and features?



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Nautilus said:

I dont get why they made this.They have just release(or going to, cant quite remember) the Oculus Quest, and this seems to be an (mostly) inferior product.

Why not focus on games and give some years for the tech to evolve, so that you can launch a new gen with actual improvements and features?

Oculus Quest is a standalone and it seems like that's what they are pushing hard.  

Rift S will play PC games.  It's there to make PC VR more hassle free.  That's why there's no external sensors.  



the-pi-guy said:
Nautilus said:

I dont get why they made this.They have just release(or going to, cant quite remember) the Oculus Quest, and this seems to be an (mostly) inferior product.

Why not focus on games and give some years for the tech to evolve, so that you can launch a new gen with actual improvements and features?

Oculus Quest is a standalone and it seems like that's what they are pushing hard.  

Rift S will play PC games.  It's there to make PC VR more hassle free.  That's why there's no external sensors.  

Still.... it feels like the wrong move.Quest is the move in the right direction, even if it desperately needs more power.They could have used the next 3 or 4 years to develop exclusive games to make their platforms more attractive.And with the passage of time, the tech would evolve enough so that an Oculus Rift 2 would make for an appealing proposition.

Thats my take on it.This just feels weird, even if its tecnically targeting a different audience.



Chazore said: 

I am a consumer just like you, only I believe in action and standing up against scummy practices. I do not want my consumer rights taken away, step by step, and I'm not going to be a non-caring guy, who will eventually bitch when he loses so much in the long-run. I'd rather do something about it now, rather than later. 

Also, no, you do not need "loyalty" in order to seek change. That's not how that works. 

For real, this isn't the place to attack his consumer decisions.

BasilZero said:


"I'm living my best life, I aint goin back and forth with you"

Let's get back on topic, eh?

Nautilus said:

Still.... it feels like the wrong move.Quest is the move in the right direction, even if it desperately needs more power.They could have used the next 3 or 4 years to develop exclusive games to make their platforms more attractive.And with the passage of time, the tech would evolve enough so that an Oculus Rift 2 would make for an appealing proposition.

Thats my take on it.This just feels weird, even if its tecnically targeting a different audience.

They still are pushing Quest.  They are pushing it pretty hard.  It's the same price as this, yet it has some better specs, some worse, but overall it still has a system on board to run everything.  

They are pushing that as many of their published games as possible are going to come to both Rift and Quest.  

They are still going to make a Rift 2, this is largely a stop gap...  They completely shut down the original Rift's sales already, so this is their replacement on PC.  

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Is there still a mess of cables attached?



KLAMarine said:
Is there still a mess of cables attached?

There's only 1 cable in the entire set up.  

Also likely to have a wireless module (for a ridiculous price) to go completely wireless.