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The_Liquid_Laser on 22 March 2019
Chazore said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

Do you have sales numbers for last year for the top 20 Steam games in North America?

You missed my previous post.  I was talking about North America.

Why don't you go find those numbers, that aren't even related to user numbers yourself?. Or better yet, use Steam spy, from the guy who's too shallow enough to use it on the very company he works for. 

 

Also "better exclusives", again is subjective in your own mind. That and PC gaming is definitely big, it's not small. 

I don't find the numbers, because the numbers aren't available.  Valve doesn't release them.  My whole point is that Valve keeps their numbers secret.  "SteamSpy" isn't official numbers.  It's a program that someone designed to Spy on Steam, because Valve wants to keep their numbers secret.



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Megiddo on 22 March 2019
The_Liquid_Laser said:
Chazore said:

Why don't you go find those numbers, that aren't even related to user numbers yourself?. Or better yet, use Steam spy, from the guy who's too shallow enough to use it on the very company he works for. 

 

Also "better exclusives", again is subjective in your own mind. That and PC gaming is definitely big, it's not small. 

I don't find the numbers, because the numbers aren't available.  Valve doesn't release them.  My whole point is that Valve keeps their numbers secret.  "SteamSpy" isn't official numbers.  It's a program that someone designed to Spy on Steam, because Valve wants to keep their numbers secret.

Valve keeps 3rd party numbers secret because that's not their property. It's the same wtih Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo.

Steam has extremely transparent data for all games such as concurrent players that the Big 3 couldn't even dream of matching.



The_Liquid_Laser on 22 March 2019
BasilZero said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

I don't dislike Valve.  I dislike Steam.  Why should I use a service that I dislike?

A couple reasons.

1) Before Steam came along we had numbers for both PC and Console sales.  PC games never sold like console games did.  The big money was always in console gaming.  This was also in an era when PC gaming had more exclusives (and better exclusives IMO) than it does now.

2) Valve never gives us all of their data.  This in itself is telling.  The XB1 is not selling well and Microsoft doesn't give us data about the XB1.  I suspect Valve is the same way.  If the data was actually good, then the company would give it to us regularly.

 

Because you aren’t paying to buy a client like a console.

 

what is it that you don’t like about steam if you still like Valve? Lol

 

Also steamspy (a service created by someone who works with EGS compiled data based on the steam database) that showed many successful titles in the millions - the most sold games on steam were games like left 4 dead 2 and csgo which were both 20+ million 

This information is now locked to the public and I think you have to pay to see numbers now.

 

Also your accusation that PC gaming isn’t doing as good as console gaming if not better is false because the market on pc is completely different from what it was 20 years ago.

 

Japanese companies who never touched PC before are flocking to the platform now, no one does that for any random reason.

 

Exclusives aren’t the real drawing power on the platform anymore - it’s mainly resolution, fps , pricing and availability (for back and forward compatibility) on top of that free online MP

 

My claim was about North America.  No one can counter my argument about North America, because no one has solid numbers about North America.  The very fact that these numbers are a secret is evidence that my claim is correct.

Megiddo said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

I don't find the numbers, because the numbers aren't available.  Valve doesn't release them.  My whole point is that Valve keeps their numbers secret.  "SteamSpy" isn't official numbers.  It's a program that someone designed to Spy on Steam, because Valve wants to keep their numbers secret.

Valve keeps 3rd party numbers secret because that's not their property. It's the same wtih Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo.

Steam has extremely transparent data for all games such as concurrent players that the Big 3 couldn't even dream of matching.

There is no way to compare Valve numbers to the big 3.  People can claim that "PC is huge in North America", but there is no evidence to back it up.  All I can go by is that sales data in the pre-Steam era said PC revenue was smaller than console revenue.  I have no reason to assume it has changed.



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Darwinianevolution on 22 March 2019

This data makes me wonder how many PC gamers don't really use Steam for their gaming habits, and what they use instead. Steam is usually seen as a massive monopoly, put considering how many other digital storefronts and sale methodes are for the platform...



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The_Liquid_Laser on 22 March 2019
BasilZero said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

My claim was about North America.  No one can counter my argument about North America, because no one has solid numbers about North America.  The very fact that these numbers are a secret is evidence that my claim is correct.

 

There is more than enough evidence to suggest your claim is invalid and outdated - and it’s pretty much out there - do some research yourself instead of imposing a false claim especially when you are the only one who is expressing it.

I did the research.  That is why I don't think they have much of a presence in North America. 

Now if you are talking about the world outside of North America, Japan, and Western Europe, then I think Steam has a pretty decent presence.  All of the numbers that the other posters are talking about are worldwide numbers.  I actually do believe Steam is growing worldwide, but it is growing in places where consoles do not have much of a presence.  



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Megiddo on 22 March 2019
The_Liquid_Laser said:
BasilZero said:

There is more than enough evidence to suggest your claim is invalid and outdated - and it’s pretty much out there - do some research yourself instead of imposing a false claim especially when you are the only one who is expressing it.

I did the research.  That is why I don't think they have much of a presence in North America. 

Now if you are talking about the world outside of North America, Japan, and Western Europe, then I think Steam has a pretty decent presence.  All of the numbers that the other posters are talking about are worldwide numbers.  I actually do believe Steam is growing worldwide, but it is growing in places where consoles do not have much of a presence.  

Very basic data...

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/steampowered.com

1/4 of all Steam store traffic is from the US. That is more than total traffic from Russia, China, and Japan combined.

You didn't actually do any research did you?

Just compare it with Playstation's data.

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/playstation.com



The_Liquid_Laser on 22 March 2019
Megiddo said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

I did the research.  That is why I don't think they have much of a presence in North America. 

Now if you are talking about the world outside of North America, Japan, and Western Europe, then I think Steam has a pretty decent presence.  All of the numbers that the other posters are talking about are worldwide numbers.  I actually do believe Steam is growing worldwide, but it is growing in places where consoles do not have much of a presence.  

Very basic data...

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/steampowered.com

1/4 of all Steam store traffic is from the US. That is more than total traffic from Russia, China, and Japan combined.

You didn't actually do any research did you?

Just compare it with Playstation's data.

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/playstation.com

Since you have the data, could you please tell me the sales of the top 20 games on Steam in North America in 2018?  I am looking for relevant sales data, so we can compare it to console sales or PC sales in the past.

Last edited by The_Liquid_Laser - on 22 March 2019

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Switch Will Be #1 All Time
Zelda Will Outsell Mario (Achieved)
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The_Liquid_Laser on 22 March 2019
shikamaru317 said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

Since you have the data, could you please tell me the sales of the top 20 games on Steam in North America in 2018?  I am looking for relevant sales data, so we can compare it to console sales or PC sales in the past.

Steam doesn't release official software sales data unfortunately. We know what the top 20 games are by revenue worldwide, but not by region, and we definitely don't know the top 20 games by unit sales or how many units they sold. Here is the 2018 top 20 by revenue worldwide:

1. Monster Hunter World
2. Dota 2
3. Rocket League
4. Rainbow Six Siege
5. AC Odyssey
6. Warframe
7. CS:GO
8. PUBG
9. Civilization 6
10. The Elder Scrolls Online
11. Far Cry 5
12. GTA V
13. Ark: Survival Evolved
14. Black Desert Online
15. Kingdom Come Deliverance
16. Stallaris
17. Jurassic World Evolution
18. Dead By Daylight
19. Cities Skylines
20. AC Origins

Thank you.  This is, at least, on the right track. 

However, unless I missed something, we don't have actual revenue numbers.  Also I believe this list is for all of Steam and not just North America, correct?  One of my points in this thread is that we don't have sales data that we can compare to either current console sales or past PC sales.  That makes it difficult to gauge just how well (or poorly) Steam is doing in regions where consoles are popular.



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The_Liquid_Laser on 22 March 2019
shikamaru317 said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

Thank you.  This is, at least, on the right track. 

However, unless I missed something, we don't have actual revenue numbers.  Also I believe this list is for all of Steam and not just North America, correct?  One of my points in this thread is that we don't have sales data that we can compare to either current console sales or past PC sales.  That makes it difficult to gauge just how well (or poorly) Steam is doing in regions where consoles are popular.

Yes, that is correct, we don't know revenue amounts, we don't have a region by region breakdown, and we don't know unit sales. The closest info we have to official unit sales are from Steam Spy and a Steam data leak last July which gives you a picture of partial sales data for the year for some games that released in 2018, as well as lifetime sales for games that released before 2018.

Steam Spy

Steam Data Leak

Didn't know about that data leak.  That is extremely useful.  Thank you.

Of course the data is in a very raw form, but that is a nice place to start.   



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Switch Will Be #1 All Time
Zelda Will Outsell Mario (Achieved)
How Much Will MH Rise sell?
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Megiddo on 22 March 2019
The_Liquid_Laser said:
Megiddo said:

Very basic data...

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/steampowered.com

1/4 of all Steam store traffic is from the US. That is more than total traffic from Russia, China, and Japan combined.

You didn't actually do any research did you?

Just compare it with Playstation's data.

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/playstation.com

Since you have the data, could you please tell me the sales of the top 20 games on Steam in North America in 2018?  I am looking for relevant sales data, so we can compare it to console sales or PC sales in the past.

 

Could you please tell me the sales of the top 20 games on Switch, PS4, and X1 in North America in 2018?

You're asking for data for PC that doesn't exist publicly anywhere for any other gaming platform. It's really, really bizarre.