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Xxain said:
Darwinianevolution said:

I thought fearmongering was the exagerated spread of rumours to actively cause panic. What we are discussing here are neither exagerated nor unfounded, this are examples of activities and practises that publishers have used and abused in the past and would almost certainly use again with a streaming-only system.

Has Google announced any policies these topics? It's like you have formed the mindset that will just allow all this.

Most of this subjects are not really tied to Google's policies, but to the general behaviour of the market.

-Always online DRM is necessary on a streaming only system, with all of the negatives that implies.

-Competition with older titles has been something rather frown upon by big developers. How many servers have EA or Activision closed down, effectively killing many games? The difference is that, because you don't really own or have the game in any capacity on a streaming service, you can't even revive it through homebrew methodes. Your purchase is basically moot at this point. You get nothing.

-Game preservation will be moot as well, so if they want to censor a game (or erase it completely for whatever reason) they can do it and there's no possible way to stop it. At least with physical media (and digital to some extent) you can keep them on your hardware until they fail. Hell, as bad as piracy may be in some cases, it is the only acces to a plethora of abandoned games nowadays, that is a fact.

-Google is an advertisement-based company, so suspicions about intrusive ads is not unfounded. There's also the possible problem of Google tryint to sanitize the content kept in Stadia just like they did with YouTube, potentially affecting the artistic freedom of many developers.

-No access to the game code means no mods, so that is just out of the question.

-Account stealing could make one's purchases completely obsolete. On a regular platform, you at least can access the single player games you have installed (as long as you don't need always online DRM). No luck with Stalia, because it is always online and you have nothing on your hardware, so someone can steal your accound and you are left with nothing until the problem is resolved. I forsee this being a massive plague during the first year of the Stalia's lifespan.



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Darwinianevolution said:
Xxain said:

Has Google announced any policies these topics? It's like you have formed the mindset that will just allow all this.

Most of this subjects are not really tied to Google's policies, but to the general behaviour of the market.

-Always online DRM is necessary on a streaming only system, with all of the negatives that implies.

-Competition with older titles has been something rather frown upon by big developers. How many servers have EA or Activision closed down, effectively killing many games? The difference is that, because you don't really own or have the game in any capacity on a streaming service, you can't even revive it through homebrew methodes. Your purchase is basically moot at this point. You get nothing.

-Game preservation will be moot as well, so if they want to censor a game (or erase it completely for whatever reason) they can do it and there's no possible way to stop it. At least with physical media (and digital to some extent) you can keep them on your hardware until they fail. Hell, as bad as piracy may be in some cases, it is the only acces to a plethora of abandoned games nowadays, that is a fact.

-Google is an advertisement-based company, so suspicions about intrusive ads is not unfounded. There's also the possible problem of Google tryint to sanitize the content kept in Stadia just like they did with YouTube, potentially affecting the artistic freedom of many developers.

-No access to the game code means no mods, so that is just out of the question.

-Account stealing could make one's purchases completely obsolete. On a regular platform, you at least can access the single player games you have installed (as long as you don't need always online DRM). No luck with Stalia, because it is always online and you have nothing on your hardware, so someone can steal your accound and you are left with nothing until the problem is resolved. I forsee this being a massive plague during the first year of the Stalia's lifespan.

Everything you listed is a current problem or something the consoles crowd(the most vocal) would have to deal with anyways. Most of the shit you listed Google "could" control. You thinking about this from a current age perspective. What kind of new policies would a streaming/digital age have? 



melbye said:
kirby007 said:

How do you even play call of duty or fortnite

I don't, i play Breath of the Wild or Mario Odyssey

edit: and tomorrow i will play Sekiro and then next week Yoshi's Woolly World

So hows google going to effect that?



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kirby007 said:
melbye said:

I don't, i play Breath of the Wild or Mario Odyssey

edit: and tomorrow i will play Sekiro and then next week Yoshi's Woolly World

So hows google going to effect that?

Because if have to stream a game and the internet goes out i can't play the game obviously



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Xxain said:
Darwinianevolution said:

Most of this subjects are not really tied to Google's policies, but to the general behaviour of the market.

-Always online DRM is necessary on a streaming only system, with all of the negatives that implies.

-Competition with older titles has been something rather frown upon by big developers. How many servers have EA or Activision closed down, effectively killing many games? The difference is that, because you don't really own or have the game in any capacity on a streaming service, you can't even revive it through homebrew methodes. Your purchase is basically moot at this point. You get nothing.

-Game preservation will be moot as well, so if they want to censor a game (or erase it completely for whatever reason) they can do it and there's no possible way to stop it. At least with physical media (and digital to some extent) you can keep them on your hardware until they fail. Hell, as bad as piracy may be in some cases, it is the only acces to a plethora of abandoned games nowadays, that is a fact.

-Google is an advertisement-based company, so suspicions about intrusive ads is not unfounded. There's also the possible problem of Google tryint to sanitize the content kept in Stadia just like they did with YouTube, potentially affecting the artistic freedom of many developers.

-No access to the game code means no mods, so that is just out of the question.

-Account stealing could make one's purchases completely obsolete. On a regular platform, you at least can access the single player games you have installed (as long as you don't need always online DRM). No luck with Stalia, because it is always online and you have nothing on your hardware, so someone can steal your accound and you are left with nothing until the problem is resolved. I forsee this being a massive plague during the first year of the Stalia's lifespan.

Everything you listed is a current problem or something the consoles crowd(the most vocal) would have to deal with anyways. Most of the shit you listed Google "could" control. You thinking about this from a current age perspective. What kind of new policies would a streaming/digital age have? 

That is a very defeatist attitude. People complained during the XBOne's original reveal and Microsoft had to change its policies, so voicing our opinion is never a harmful thing, while just accepting stuff we don't like is a very easy way for it to become the norm.

And considering how much companies have been pushing digital over physical and yet have not delivered their promises without twisting them or outright ignoring them, it's pretty reasonable to want to slow down this supposed inevitable digital future. Google would not want to piss off big publisher by putting them on a tight leash, especially not now they are just starting, and considering the lack of supervision in the mobile market, a market Google has a rather sizeable control over, "could" becomes more and more vague.



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kirby007 said:
melbye said:

I don't, i play Breath of the Wild or Mario Odyssey

edit: and tomorrow i will play Sekiro and then next week Yoshi's Woolly World

So hows google going to effect that?

Pushing an only streaming policy for gaming ? If google gains traction and tons of customer from a practice like that, what would hold back others from not doing the same with their platform ? Nothing. If it makes money, for them it'd be worth it which would end  the current ways of distribution for games (physical or digital store). This would limit gamers to consumme the medium the way they want it to for the sole profit of a corporation ... and that's a big NO.



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melbye said:
kirby007 said:

So hows google going to effect that?

Because if have to stream a game and the internet goes out i can't play the game obviously

How is google going to affect those games?



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kirby007 said:
melbye said:

Because if have to stream a game and the internet goes out i can't play the game obviously

How is google going to affect those games?

I get it, you are pro-streaming, but don't come crying when you can't play a game once streaming has taken over and there is a massive internet-outage



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melbye said:
kirby007 said:

How is google going to affect those games?

I get it, you are pro-streaming, but don't come crying when you can't play a game once streaming has taken over and there is a massive internet-outage

I did that when call of duty 2 launched for the xbox360 and xbox live was down. I got over it



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Chazore said:
VAMatt said:
A lot of comments in this thread demonstrate that gamers are just scared of change.

Scared?, why would we be "scared" of something we don't want encompassing our favorite hobby?.

 

You seem to think that if it's okay to you and that you welcome it, that everyone else must welcome it or be fear mongered/ridiculed into doing so. That's not smart and it just lends to sheeple mentality. You don't want to be called on making a bad decision, so you've whipped up the "no, it's you" kind of reasoning. 

The people that basically willingly go with this, precisely demonstrate that they care little for owning anything, and are more than happy to siphon their entire life savings to anything and everything, via a sub fee per week/month. imagine, turning everything into an endless funnel, where you're basically low on income per month, because everything is sub based, wouldn't that be amazing for everyone? (Don't go "no", because this is practically where we're headed via music, movies, tv and now games, so yes, the sub fee model is becoming the defacto model of the future. "traditional won't go away anytime soon", it is going away, faster than you think when you look at all the other industries adopting one model). 

You just made up a bunch of stuff and pretended that it will happen. The idea that people will go broke because of game streaming is ridiculous.