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After that amazing climate plan from Bernie, if Inslee doesn't endorse him, his entire candidacy was a joke.

https://earther.gizmodo.com/bernie-sanders-climate-plan-is-nothing-short-of-a-revol-1837456120



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SpokenTruth said:
It's interesting to see Inslee drop before candidates with far less donors/polls.

Now on the other hand, if he does endorse Bernie, Bernie's plan may have been the very reason he dropped out. His whole reason for campaigning was climate change. He's obsolete now, his goal in running is served.



HylianSwordsman said:
After that amazing climate plan from Bernie, if Inslee doesn't endorse him, his entire candidacy was a joke.

https://earther.gizmodo.com/bernie-sanders-climate-plan-is-nothing-short-of-a-revol-1837456120

Bernie is not the only one with a good climate change plan.



jason1637 said:
HylianSwordsman said:
After that amazing climate plan from Bernie, if Inslee doesn't endorse him, his entire candidacy was a joke.

https://earther.gizmodo.com/bernie-sanders-climate-plan-is-nothing-short-of-a-revol-1837456120

Bernie is not the only one with a good climate change plan.

Lol, are you kidding me? Have you seen the plan? It blows every other plan out of the water. Everything else is a joke by comparison. Warren seriously needs to step her game up to compete on climate after this one.



HylianSwordsman said:
jason1637 said:

Bernie is not the only one with a good climate change plan.

Lol, are you kidding me? Have you seen the plan? It blows every other plan out of the water. Everything else is a joke by comparison. Warren seriously needs to step her game up to compete on climate after this one.

What about Bernies plan is better?



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jason1637 said:
HylianSwordsman said:

Lol, are you kidding me? Have you seen the plan? It blows every other plan out of the water. Everything else is a joke by comparison. Warren seriously needs to step her game up to compete on climate after this one.

What about Bernies plan is better?

It outclasses every other plan out there in pretty much every facet, does it faster, and does it with a direct investment in the American economy that would result in fixing climate change not harming the economy, but instead helping it. A few other plans try similar investments, but none are this aggressive, would prevent as much climate change damage as this one, and none stand a chance of creating nearly as many jobs (20 million) while also helping those in the fossil fuel industry that would be losing them by giving them free training and job placement. To Jay Inslee's credit though, his plan was more detailed and also had a 10 year target like Bernie's, but he's dropping out and ultimately Bernie's goes farther, penetrating deeper into the economy and with deeper investments. It also lays out a foreign policy vision that would see the United States lead on the world stage. Right now, China is being looked to for leadership, due to their deep investments, which is ultimately sickening and ironic, considering they're also the biggest coal polluters and their totalitarian dictatorship absolutely cannot be allowed to be the government that sets the example for leadership in anything. Bernie's plan represents massive, international mobilization to address the climate change problem, and a revolution at home that would be a kick in the pants to our economy if Trump's policies do indeed lead to a recession. It's on a whole other scale from other proposals.



the-pi-guy said:
HylianSwordsman said:
After that amazing climate plan from Bernie, if Inslee doesn't endorse him, his entire candidacy was a joke.

https://earther.gizmodo.com/bernie-sanders-climate-plan-is-nothing-short-of-a-revol-1837456120

This reminds me of one of the things about Bernie that I don't agree with.  

He's anti-nuclear and that's very much written into his plan. 

Alright, I'll give you a chance to defend this. Why nuclear? Because as far as I can see, it's a dead industry dragging the green movement down, and we'd be better off investing billions into fusion than trying to keep alive a failing fission industry. Everyone I've talked to so far just repeats talking points from the nuclear industry.



Wow, that's a really aggressive climate plan. I really like it but it will be a very hard sell to fiscal conservatives who just think of the 16 trillion needed as a cost rather than an investment. Y'all ready for the revolution though?



 

FUCK. YES. THIS is what I'm fucking talking about. Finally, someone with the balls to sanction these assholes that are destroying the planet. Take the war for our survival straight to their pocketbooks. No other candidate has the guts to do this. Warren hopefully will step up in response, but so far, no one has been courageous enough to go this far. This is what it would be like to have a president willing to actually stand up to corporations and the elite. Fucking economic sanctions against anybody that continues to stand in the way of saving the planet.

Criminally. Prosecuted. Executives. Fuck yeah. It's well documented that these assholes knew that what they were doing would fuck us in this way, but did it anyway because they just didn't care, only wanted profit. Rest assured it wouldn't just be the fossil fuel industry either. This is just an example of how he thinks. Not many of the candidates are going to jail executives in any industry, but if you want to see the people that fucked our planet, that caused the opioid epidemic, and that caused the recession go to jail for their crimes, Bernie is your guy.

And unlike Hillary "we're going to put a lot of coal miners out of business" Clinton, Bernie actually gives a shit about coal miners and people in the fossil fuel industry. He understands that we're all in the same boat.



the-pi-guy said:
HylianSwordsman said:

Alright, I'll give you a chance to defend this. 

How gracious of you....

HylianSwordsman said:

Why nuclear? Because as far as I can see, it's a dead industry dragging the green movement down, and we'd be better off investing billions into fusion than trying to keep alive a failing fission industry. Everyone I've talked to so far just repeats talking points from the nuclear industry.

>Why nuclear?

It creates massive amounts of energy.  

> it's a dead industry 

It's largely dead because of fears that don't really hold up anymore.  It's not because of a lack of progres.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poPLSgbSO6k

I have to say, for me personally, I was very ignorant of the progress nuclear energy has made. My main gripe with it was the waste it produced and how it would effect the environment. And also I was weary of how stable these reactors were. But after watching that video it seems nuclear energy is relatively safe now and continuing to be more efficient and safe as we make progress with it and should be considered as a viable source of energy going forward.