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tsogud said:

Harris is running aa traditional campaign and even though money does not play as big of a role as it used to be it's still very very important. i remember watching an interview with Yang and he was saying that one of his campaigns biggest worries pre 2nd debate was how much money they were going to bring in that day. Now Harris campaign is much larger than Yang's so they'd need more money.

I don't think Harris is dumb enough to take money from anti climate change activist so I don't think a conflict of interest would arise.

Money plays an incredible role in politics, it shouldn't, but it does. People are becoming increasingly aware of where a candidates bread is buttered and understand the importance of it. Speaking of Yang, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe he has attended any big donor fundraisers and his campaign is more or less successful. I don't believe Gabbard has either and of course Sanders and Warren haven't as well.

Yeah you don't think she is and I don't think she really is dumb enough either but that's not something you want to leave on a whim of a select few. What if a piece of legislation proposed would be great for helping with the climate crisis but bad in some way or another for the special interests of the big donors? You can reasonably assume that if she chose the donors once she'll do it again, money talks.

All campaigns have fundraising events. For people like Yang it's just a get together events with his supporters but at the end of the day the point of these events are to raise money because it's very hard to win without money. I'm not sure about Gabbard, Sanders or Warren cause I don't follow them closely but I lightly recall Warren having some backlash a while ago from taking money from big donors.

Like you said money talks and it does suck that money and politics have become so close but I'm not gonna hate on someone for raising money as long as they're not taking money from a bad cause. As far i'm aware Harris isnt taking money from any anti climate change groups so she's good in my books in this situation. Her supporters know she'll push for laws that will help our environment and I don't think her going to this even would have moved the needle much while the money from the fundraising could help spread more awareness for her campaign.



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jason1637 said:
tsogud said:

Money plays an incredible role in politics, it shouldn't, but it does. People are becoming increasingly aware of where a candidates bread is buttered and understand the importance of it. Speaking of Yang, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe he has attended any big donor fundraisers and his campaign is more or less successful. I don't believe Gabbard has either and of course Sanders and Warren haven't as well.

Yeah you don't think she is and I don't think she really is dumb enough either but that's not something you want to leave on a whim of a select few. What if a piece of legislation proposed would be great for helping with the climate crisis but bad in some way or another for the special interests of the big donors? You can reasonably assume that if she chose the donors once she'll do it again, money talks.

All campaigns have fundraising events. For people like Yang it's just a get together events with his supporters but at the end of the day the point of these events are to raise money because it's very hard to win without money. I'm not sure about Gabbard, Sanders or Warren cause I don't follow them closely but I lightly recall Warren having some backlash a while ago from taking money from big donors.

Like you said money talks and it does suck that money and politics have become so close but I'm not gonna hate on someone for raising money as long as they're not taking money from a bad cause. As far i'm aware Harris isnt taking money from any anti climate change groups so she's good in my books in this situation. Her supporters know she'll push for laws that will help our environment and I don't think her going to this even would have moved the needle much while the money from the fundraising could help spread more awareness for her campaign.

Yeah, I basically agree with your position. I don't hate on anyone for raising money in this political climate. The issue I and many others had and was illustrated in the video, was that had she gone through with it she would literally be choosing to hear big donors over the people's concerns with the climate crisis. And that's literally what big money in politics does, it takes the voice away from the people and gives it to the ones with the biggest pockets. I believe it would've been a bad PR move in it's own right and would've not helped her campaign regardless of how many donations she got due to attending that fundraiser.



 

On this topic I was wondering, does anyone know when the debates are going to start? And I mean the amusing ones, the ones where Reps and Dems duke it out in a live broadcast. By this time before the 2016 election, those debates had already started so what gives?



CrazyGamer2017 said:

On this topic I was wondering, does anyone know when the debates are going to start? And I mean the amusing ones, the ones where Reps and Dems duke it out in a live broadcast. By this time before the 2016 election, those debates had already started so what gives?

Last time had no incumbent, so both sides were scrambling to find a potential candidate. Of course that heats up the battle on both sides.



Poor Gabbard, pretty sure YouGov isn't an approved poll, but it should be. Interesting to see Biden nearly in the teens and only 3 points above Sanders and 5 above Warren. Certainly looks like a three way race to me. I know it's only one poll, but Economist/YouGov is generally pretty good. I continue to see more and more polls showing Biden on a slow downward trend. Also interesting here, Buttigieg is nearly caught up with Harris. He's the less flip-floppy of the two so I wouldn't mind him overtaking her if it's to become a four-way contest.



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HylianSwordsman said:

Poor Gabbard, pretty sure YouGov isn't an approved poll, but it should be. Interesting to see Biden nearly in the teens and only 3 points above Sanders and 5 above Warren. Certainly looks like a three way race to me. I know it's only one poll, but Economist/YouGov is generally pretty good. I continue to see more and more polls showing Biden on a slow downward trend. Also interesting here, Buttigieg is nearly caught up with Harris. He's the less flip-floppy of the two so I wouldn't mind him overtaking her if it's to become a four-way contest.

YouGov counts if sponsored by the right news outlet. The economist is not it.



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Jay Inslee just dropped out of the race. Understandable when you promote and fight for a climate change town hall and then don't get invited to it...

He's not backing someone yet, but Bernie and Kamala already congratulated him on his track record in climate change and vowed to take his banner in that regard.

Edit: adding some links:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/21/jay-inslee-2020-democrats-drops-out-climate-change

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/us/politics/jay-inslee-2020-campaign.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/08/22/jay-inslee-governor-who-centered-climate-change-presidential-race-drops-out-contest/

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/governor-jay-inslee-announces-exit-from-democratic-primary-race-66932805844

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SpokenTruth said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:

On this topic I was wondering, does anyone know when the debates are going to start? And I mean the amusing ones, the ones where Reps and Dems duke it out in a live broadcast. By this time before the 2016 election, those debates had already started so what gives?

You are off a year.  The presidential debates started on September 26, 2016.  The election was just 5 weeks later.

Nope, the presidential debates began in 2015...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Republican_Party_presidential_debates_and_forums#Schedule



CrazyGamer2017 said:
SpokenTruth said:

You are off a year.  The presidential debates started on September 26, 2016.  The election was just 5 weeks later.

Nope, the presidential debates began in 2015...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Republican_Party_presidential_debates_and_forums#Schedule

But that's just republicans. It's pretty much what we have now with the democrats, just with different people and ideologies.

You asked for the ones where democrats and republicans are pitted against each other. That only happens after both parties have nominated their running team (their presidential and vice presidential candidates), so after each party's national convention. Since those are in summer next year, you are one year off.

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Bofferbrauer2 said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:

Nope, the presidential debates began in 2015...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Republican_Party_presidential_debates_and_forums#Schedule

But that's just republicans. It's pretty much what we have now with the democrats, just with different people and ideologies.

You asked for the ones where democrats and republicans are pitted against each other. That only happens after both parties have nominated their running team (their presidential and vice presidential candidates), so after each party's national convention. Since those are in summer next year, you are one year off.

True but he said I'm off by a year with the PRESIDENTIAL debates, the Rep debates were presidential debates and those began in 2015, that's why I replied that to him.

As for the ones I asked, yes, I asked for the ones where Dems were pitted against Reps and it seems those started much later as you explain. I guess what I remember is how electric the Rep debates were with Trump attacking everywhere and everyone around him and that's why I'm confused about those not being Reps vs Dems which is where you'd expect electricity going through the show in high voltage.

So I guess I'm going to have to be patient for those.

Last edited by CrazyGamer2017 - on 22 August 2019