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Biden will most likely win the primary now, that's a given and as I've said before he can't win the general. Only Bernie stands a chance at winning the general versus Trump. This primary election is funny because its being ran and won on a false premise, this premise is electability.

1) Exit polls have told you that the majority in every state support M4A. Every single state has stated that they support it in overwhelming numbers or with a slight majority yet Biden has won these states even though he doesn't support it. Though I've seen some people in NC that supposedly thought he supported it which is a big lol of how uninformed our electorate is.

2) The Media keeps saying that Bernie can't win and that Biden can, Biden keeps saying he can win and Bernie can't, and Bernie keeps saying that they both can win when everyone knows that Biden can't win so he's shooting himself in the foot and demoralizing his base. This is the entire electability argument and the thing is, Bernie is making the argument when he critiques Biden. He calls out his record on the trade deals, and on the wars but then keeps calling him his friend and keeps saying that he can win when he effectively points out why Biden can't win. So yes, Bernie is giving Biden the win in the primary by not going after him on this issue. Social secuirty is good but it is not enough, this primary is not about the ideas, the majority are already with you on the ideas Bernard, what you need to do is give them permission to vote for you and the way to do that is to prove you are more electable than Biden and claiming that he's able to win hurts that. You've shot yourself after super Tuesday by saying that when in all honesty, yes it sucked but we were in a much better position than we were in 4 years ago and could still turn it around. I am no longer sure about that because you keep doing this dumb move.

3) So we've seen why Bernie will most likely lose the Primary even though the general populace agrees with his ideas and policy, now here's why Biden will lose to Trump. This isn't rocket science, but the man's cognitive decline is one part of it. 1 on 1 in a debate with Trump will expose this. Its why the DNC is changing the format of the debate between him and Bernie, Biden is weak and can't defend himself or his policies. The rustbelt is the next stop, trade deals. Yes Trump has signed a new Nafta that they wont like but at the same time its no where near as bad as Biden who voted for the original and to this day supports the TPP. It doesn't help that Biden has also voted for the wars. On top of that Biden literally told us young people to go to hell not too long ago so if you think we're showing up for him you're crazy. There's still Ukraine Investigating Biden and the farce of Impeachment bolstering Trump's base. In 2018 he actually supported a Trump republican's bid for office as well. He's got his own scandal when it comes to women and honestly the supreme court is also the way it is partially because of him. He's tried to cut Social Security and other programs multiple times and will be hit over this, and once again because he isn't cognitively sound he wont be able to think on his feet to defend from these attacks. Trump is more sound than he is and would keep hammering these until Biden is no more.

4) Now what about if it was Bernie vs Trump? That's the thing, polls actually show that Bernie does better vs Trump than Biden especially in multiple key states. The rustbelt is needed to defeat Trump and Trump just passed a trade deal which has burned them so many times in the past. Bernie voted against it, and he's been voting against them forever now meaning that they trust him. And yes guys, that 1 issue is what won him 2016 and why on that 1 Issue alone Bernie can win. But there's another reason why Bernie can win. Youth vote. The voter turn out is up, and more youth are showing up to the polls, unfortunately at the same time a lot of old folks are showing up as well and they watch Corporate Media while we don't so they see this electability stuff and go for Joe over Bernie even if they agree with his ideas. That's why joe is winning btw, but Joe like I said has told young people to go to hell while Bernie is like "its not your fault and I will make things fair for you". On top of that with the amount of enthusiasm Bernie supporters have they'll go out of their way to talk to everyone to convince them why their guy is #1, there's a reason he has the most volunteers. But again Trump's based is fired up, and Bernie's weak spot is also that he gave into Russia gate and he was also somewhat running hard with the farce known as Impeachment. There's also the Socialist boogeyman that's also hurting him and would definitely hurt in the general. In other words, like I said before Bernie has a chance, but a chance does not mean definite victory, Joe on the other hand stands a 0% chance. The electability argument is a fraudulent one

5) So how can Bernie turn this around and win the Primary and give himself and the dems a chance to defeat Trump? Simple, he first has to stop calling Joe Biden his friend and he has to stop saying that Joe Biden can Defeat Trump. His foundation is this false idea about his electability, you have to destroy it for him to crumble and he wont be able to defend himself. You must first however state in full force, that Joe cannot win. Once you do that you hit him over his trade deal, Social security and yes even his cognitive decline. I know no one wants to go there but its life or death and sometimes that means fighting dirty. 2nd of all, stop calling yourself a democratic socialist and call yourself an FDR democrat because that is what you are. When you say Democratic Socialist and run around saying that you need to mention 2 things every time if you're not gonna change your tune. The first is that MLK was a democratic Socialist, the 2nd is that FDR was a democratic Socialist and democratic socialism was so popular he won 4 terms in a row. If I'm like the guy that won 4 times in a row I am electable, far more than Biden whose neo-liberal counterparts have all lost general elections over the past 20 years. It is time for the Democrats to go back to their FDR roots if they want to win, and I am the candidate to do so. That is what Bernie has to do to win.

With this write out pretty much complete the only thing left to do is see if Bernie does what needs to be done and hits Joe on electability, or does he just sit back and keep on keeping on and lose the election and ensure 4 more years of Trump. The ball is literally in your court Bernie, twist the knife in Joe, or Let Trump win. We've volunteered and pushed as hard as we can, if you don't do the final deed you'll never win. The Debate is being changed to protect Biden from you being able to naturally twist the knife so you have to blatantly do it. No other way, and it might be too late.

These are my honest feelings and this is the current state of the race. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Biden win is a trump win a Bernie win is a fighting chance. I've made this as clear as I possibly could, and I wish I had the audience to tell the american people this cause this is honestly how it'll go. Either way, the movement will go on without Bernie if he loses or if he gets cheated at the convention. This is his last shot and we don't need a spinless leader like him if he can't purposely end Joe. You don't have Tulsi to do it for you, you only have yourself. Will you doom us to Trump Bernie or will you fight for us?



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Moren said:

Don't even try to pretend you care about his mental condition or you have a shred of empathy.

This is a right-wing smear. Yeah, let's take a video of all his gaffes and diagnose dementia.

Here's a thread on Joe Biden:

I'm no doctor but I don't think this person you're quoting is getting the point. The stutter is irrelevant, those attacking that part of his speech are ridiculous. The real problem is that he keeps talking about dead people like Dan Xiaoping and Margaret Thatcher like they're still in office. His mind is simply not at 100% and that's obvious to anyone looking at his speeches.

Forget beating Trump and all that. Would you be comfortable having someone with those problems hold the most powerful office in the world? I'm not American but I would be kinda freaked out.





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Moren said:
uran10 said:

There really isn't anything beneath you is there?

Actually, I have to ask the question: Do you really believe Biden can do a campaign against Trump if his staff is hiding him from the public, if Biden denies interview requests of allied media like MSNBC, if Biden practically isn't campaigning, and all this in the primaries. The general election is much harder. Do you really think Biden can remember the words of the oath if he is elected president? Do you really think that Biden is able to defend himself against Trump in a debate?

Media starts to notice this:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/07/2020-dementia-campaign-123106

But worryingly, foreign media looks more at this than national media. Maybe they think if nobody talks about, it will go away.

At this points I have doubts the general election is winnable, if Biden is the democratic candidate. And I challenge you: change my mind, show me inhowfar Biden is electable with all this deficits more and more on display. And no, I don't talk about rumours about dementia, I don't know about that. But Biden is currently less and less able to campaign. And this is worrying.



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uran10 said:

If you go to the actual you tube page, you will see the notice that TDMS Research is funded by the Russian government.  The information in the video is simply false, exit polls just like any polling sometime get it right and sometimes they are way off. Many factors go into it.  You can not conclude fraud from the results of the exit polls.

There plenty of things to complain about how Bernie Sanders been treated without relying on Russian propaganda and conspiracy theories.



Cyran said:
uran10 said:

If you go to the actual you tube page, you will see the notice that TDMS Research is funded by the Russian government.  The information in the video is simply false, exit polls just like any polling sometime get it right and sometimes they are way off. Many factors go into it.  You can not conclude fraud from the results of the exit polls.

There plenty of things to complain about how Bernie Sanders been treated without relying on Russian propaganda and conspiracy theories.

How did I know someone would be crying russia russia russia. If its as far off as its been and generally in one direction as its been then yea, there's a problem. If it was just "polling being polling" sure, but they all went in the direction of the establishment candidate by very large margins. You think that's not suspect? Especially after we literally know that they rigged the process in 2016 and somehow the margins are off by the exact same amount as 2016? Also Lee Camp is American, 100% American. We also had Ed Schultz on RT and he stated before he passed that RT was more fair to him and let him report as he pleased than the main stream outlet he worked for. I'm not an avid watcher of RT but just because "Russia" doesn't mean its propaganda. Russia = bad is very close minded.



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uran10 said:

Dude you're starting to look like a clown. Posting Russian propaganda. 

Also you're post a video about exit polls being off but said this in the last page

"Exit polls have told you that the majority in every state support M4A. Every single state has stated that they support it in overwhelming numbers or with a slight majority yet Biden has won these states even though he doesn't support it. Though I've seen some people in NC that supposedly thought he supported it which is a big lol of how uninformed our electorate is."

So are the polls only off when they dont support your agenda?



uran10 said:
Cyran said:

If you go to the actual you tube page, you will see the notice that TDMS Research is funded by the Russian government.  The information in the video is simply false, exit polls just like any polling sometime get it right and sometimes they are way off. Many factors go into it.  You can not conclude fraud from the results of the exit polls.

There plenty of things to complain about how Bernie Sanders been treated without relying on Russian propaganda and conspiracy theories.

How did I know someone would be crying russia russia russia. If its as far off as its been and generally in one direction as its been then yea, there's a problem. If it was just "polling being polling" sure, but they all went in the direction of the establishment candidate by very large margins. You think that's not suspect? Especially after we literally know that they rigged the process in 2016 and somehow the margins are off by the exact same amount as 2016? Also Lee Camp is American, 100% American. We also had Ed Schultz on RT and he stated before he passed that RT was more fair to him and let him report as he pleased than the main stream outlet he worked for. I'm not an avid watcher of RT but just because "Russia" doesn't mean its propaganda. Russia = bad is very close minded.

Ed Schultz, The guy that went from Trump a raciest to he a great guy after Russia wrote him a pay check.  Sorry if I don't find him credible.  I don't believe Russia paying people to do research on our elections to help us out.

I find nothing suspicious about the exit polls vs actual results as I seen exit polls be off my entire life and going in all different directions.

That all am saying on this topic, just wanted to point out who paying for the research in case some people did not realize.  Everyone free to decide on there own whether to believe it or not.



jason1637 said:
uran10 said:

Dude you're starting to look like a clown. Posting Russian propaganda. 

Also you're post a video about exit polls being off but said this in the last page

"Exit polls have told you that the majority in every state support M4A. Every single state has stated that they support it in overwhelming numbers or with a slight majority yet Biden has won these states even though he doesn't support it. Though I've seen some people in NC that supposedly thought he supported it which is a big lol of how uninformed our electorate is."

So are the polls only off when they dont support your agenda?

Working for RT != Russia propaganda. I'm sorry you're all caught up on this new Red scare, but whatever. I already knew it would be called Russian Propaganda because RT. I'm saying something very basic here Jason. If Exit polls were off due to margin of errors they wouldn't generally be off in one direction, it would fluctuate, but it does not. 2016 It was always in the establishment's favour and the same applies for 2020 with the same margin. On top of that we had Wiki leaks (I'm sure you'll call more russia on that)  come out in 2016 and point out the rigging of the process, but please go off. Lee Camp does great work and maybe you should give him a proper watch before calling Russian propaganda on everything.



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