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Soo, a bit surprisingly for me, the whole Coronavirus crisis plays into the debate about health care. How so?

Well, many people still working with small symptoms, because they don't get paid sick leave. If they work in a job, where they are in contact with other people, this helps to potentially spread the virus (or basically any infection).

Also people without health care may avoid going to the doctor, in which case they aren't identified as infected with Covid in time.

All this is not helping to contain the epidemic.



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SpokenTruth said:

UPDATE: The DNC has announced the new requirements for debate 11 on March 15 in Phoenix.

"To make the March 15 debate stage, candidates need to have been allocated at least 20% of the total number of pledged delegates allocated across all of the following contests: Alabama, American Samoa, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Democrats Abroad, Guam, Idaho, Iowa, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Northern Mariana Islands, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Vermont and Washington. The allocations need to have been made by by 9 a.m. ET on March 15."

Basically, a candidate must have at least 20% of the total of all allocated delegates leading up to the debate night. Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders obviously already meet this new, and only, threshold but Tulsi Gabbard only has 2% and is unlikely to gain any more in time.

It is not yet known if the same qualifications will apply to debate 12 though given the fact only 2 qualify for debate 11, it's a pretty safe bet they won't change it further.

They might as well have just said "the new threshold is going to be Tulsi + 2." These guys are absolutely shameless.

This country is one step removed from a freaking Banana Republic at this point in terms of its corporate oligarchy and political system as a whole..



 

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SpokenTruth said:
DarthMetalliCube said:

They might as well have just said "the new threshold is going to be Tulsi + 2." These guys are absolutely shameless.

This country is one step removed from a freaking Banana Republic at this point in terms of its corporate oligarchy and political system as a whole..

She's so far behind in delegates and votes that I can almost understand why they'd fudge the qualifications to keep her out but....but they've played with qualifications to keep her and others out before AND fudged the qualifications to enable Bloomberg in.

Had they not toyed with the qualifications before to deny/allow the candidates they chose, I'd give them a free pass on this one.  But I can't just ignore the fuckery from previous debates.

But yes, the DNC is definitely one big steaming pile of swamp shit. Remember, "The party decides its nominee. The public doesn't really decide the nominee.”

And don't get me wrong I don't hate all things Democrat. In fact I voted for John Kerry in '04 and Obama in '08. But I just hate what they've largely become in the last 5-10 years.

As I've said - if these guys can just let Tulsi into this one debate and speak for maybe more than 3 minutes total (half of which she's forced to respond to bogus smears) and actually talk policy.. and she's STILL hugely unpopular, I'll totally concede that she's done and need to leave. But I really just feel she needs that massive exposure on a major level. I point to the huge lift for Perrot in '92 as evidence that this could be significant. I mean the guy was a non-entity and a big TV special propelled him to 19% of the popular vote in the '92 general!

Sure, TV doesn't have the same influence and monopoly on exposure it once did and Podcasts/Youtube is great - but it's mostly a younger audience watching them, many of whom are either already in for Bernie or sitting it out anyway.



 

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coolbeans said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

That depends entirely on your political views. For me for instance, she's dead last.

Entirely?  What about their actions?  Like Kamala's DA record?

Got counted by me into political views, but I didn't make that clear, so you're right to point that out.

Mnementh said:

Soo, a bit surprisingly for me, the whole Coronavirus crisis plays into the debate about health care. How so?

Well, many people still working with small symptoms, because they don't get paid sick leave. If they work in a job, where they are in contact with other people, this helps to potentially spread the virus (or basically any infection).

Also people without health care may avoid going to the doctor, in which case they aren't identified as infected with Covid in time.

All this is not helping to contain the epidemic.

It is one theme where Bernie could make a point about M4A - and guaranteed paid sickness leave while we're at it. He should point at Germany, showing that people get registered and thus treated early in the disease cycle. The result: Many cases that got discovered (twice as much as in the US at the time of writing), but also still a death tally of Zero (against 15 in the US).



uran10 said:
Bernie, AOC..... you all are.... disappointing. Biden has to be hit on electability. instead they help him on it... At this point it really feels like they're trying their best to lose.

What happened? 



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I'm sorry for the stereotyping, please forgive me if I'm been offensive but...

I just find amusing this thread has so many more pages than the republican one. I my mind most of the american gamers were actually Republicans



IcaroRibeiro said:
I'm sorry for the stereotyping, please forgive me if I'm been offensive but...

I just find amusing this thread has so many more pages than the republican one. I my mind most of the american gamers were actually Republicans

There's definitely PC-Only, M'lady, Alt-Right, Basement Dwelling, Neckbeards out there. But most of those guys have been banned from this site. :D

The vast majority of gamers are just regular people. That includes our PC enthusiasts. 

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DarthMetalliCube said:
SpokenTruth said:

She's so far behind in delegates and votes that I can almost understand why they'd fudge the qualifications to keep her out but....but they've played with qualifications to keep her and others out before AND fudged the qualifications to enable Bloomberg in.

Had they not toyed with the qualifications before to deny/allow the candidates they chose, I'd give them a free pass on this one.  But I can't just ignore the fuckery from previous debates.

But yes, the DNC is definitely one big steaming pile of swamp shit. Remember, "The party decides its nominee. The public doesn't really decide the nominee.”

And don't get me wrong I don't hate all things Democrat. In fact I voted for John Kerry in '04 and Obama in '08. But I just hate what they've largely become in the last 5-10 years.

As I've said - if these guys can just let Tulsi into this one debate and speak for maybe more than 3 minutes total (half of which she's forced to respond to bogus smears) and actually talk policy.. and she's STILL hugely unpopular, I'll totally concede that she's done and need to leave. But I really just feel she needs that massive exposure on a major level. I point to the huge lift for Perrot in '92 as evidence that this could be significant. I mean the guy was a non-entity and a big TV special propelled him to 19% of the popular vote in the '92 general!

Sure, TV doesn't have the same influence and monopoly on exposure it once did and Podcasts/Youtube is great - but it's mostly a younger audience watching them, many of whom are either already in for Bernie or sitting it out anyway.

Which bogus smears? That she has and still continues to funnel money to people involved with an extremist Hare Krishna offshoot cult? That she was one of the earlier politicians making liberal use of the term "radical Islam" and criticized Obama for 'not' using it even though it's pretty much become a buzzword for those on the far-right trying to enact laws that discriminate against Muslims? Her alignment with PM Modi of India? Her willingness to dub herself a "hawk" on Islamic terrorism while simultaneously playing the pacifist with Assad of Syria who has been slaughtering his own people for years? 

I'd say she has a lot to rightfully answer for. 



NightlyPoe said:
Raven said:

Which bogus smears? That she has and still continues to funnel money to people involved with an extremist Hare Krishna offshoot cult? That she was one of the earlier politicians making liberal use of the term "radical Islam" and criticized Obama for 'not' using it even though it's pretty much become a buzzword for those on the far-right trying to enact laws that discriminate against Muslims? Her alignment with PM Modi of India? Her willingness to dub herself a "hawk" on Islamic terrorism while simultaneously playing the pacifist with Assad of Syria who has been slaughtering his own people for years? 

I'd say she has a lot to rightfully answer for. 

I swear, sometimes the things that stick in politics are just baffling.

It's baffling that people call out enabling behavior? Not sure I understand because you didn't feel like expanding. 



Raven said:
DarthMetalliCube said:

And don't get me wrong I don't hate all things Democrat. In fact I voted for John Kerry in '04 and Obama in '08. But I just hate what they've largely become in the last 5-10 years.

As I've said - if these guys can just let Tulsi into this one debate and speak for maybe more than 3 minutes total (half of which she's forced to respond to bogus smears) and actually talk policy.. and she's STILL hugely unpopular, I'll totally concede that she's done and need to leave. But I really just feel she needs that massive exposure on a major level. I point to the huge lift for Perrot in '92 as evidence that this could be significant. I mean the guy was a non-entity and a big TV special propelled him to 19% of the popular vote in the '92 general!

Sure, TV doesn't have the same influence and monopoly on exposure it once did and Podcasts/Youtube is great - but it's mostly a younger audience watching them, many of whom are either already in for Bernie or sitting it out anyway.

Which bogus smears? That she has and still continues to funnel money to people involved with an extremist Hare Krishna offshoot cult? That she was one of the earlier politicians making liberal use of the term "radical Islam" and criticized Obama for 'not' using it even though it's pretty much become a buzzword for those on the far-right trying to enact laws that discriminate against Muslims? Her alignment with PM Modi of India? Her willingness to dub herself a "hawk" on Islamic terrorism while simultaneously playing the pacifist with Assad of Syria who has been slaughtering his own people for years? 

I'd say she has a lot to rightfully answer for. 

lol. The term radical Islam enables discrimination, come on now. Critizing religious radicalism should be encourged, just because Bush lied to his teeth about everything he said it doesn't mean that we should turn a blind eye to the fact that radical Islam is a problem.

If that is all you have on Tulsi, she can definitely sleep well at night.